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Post by z***@windstream.netOn Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:50:47 -0500, Christ Rose
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And that's 5 for 5. You say you went
through those and found I wasn't talking
to you. Yet a quick search shows I was
in fact talking to you.
Those article links do work in Forte
Agent (which you use), and they do show
that I was talking to and with you.
You're claiming not only that you don't
remember the conversations (which are
documented), but that even now when you
check those links, they don't indicate I
was talking to you.
Thus, we have a discrepancy here, which
raises doubts in my mind about your
integrity in the claims you make. You
seem to think if you just wait a month
or two, you can come back and raise the
same objections, as if no answer has
ever been given.
Sorry, but I don't lie.
Well then, I don't know how to reconcile
your claim that I was not talking to you
in these links, with the fact that I
just searched the links myself to verify
them, and they all showed I was in fact
talking to you. They showed your name,
your zebra email address, your same
arguments, etc. I even cited them for
you to show it.
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseIf you can't answer my questions above, just say
I'll furnish examples below. I already
answered them. Go back and check those
links again.
This is what I'm talking about. You
operate either on denial or selective
amnesia.
I answer your objections. You then come
back a few weeks later and make the same
objections, denying that they have
already been answered.
If I answer them again now, you'll just
wait a couple weeks, then come back and
pretend like I never answered them.
You've been doing this ever since I
started addressing your denial of
Christ's deity, as will be shown below
in direct citations of previous articles.
Post by Christ Roseso. But they are
strong Scriptures showing Jesus is not God. And if as you believe,
Jesus is God, my questions above need REASONABLE explanations. So
please consider them again.
They are based solidly on Scripture.
Post by Christ RoseI apologize If I miss things in our conversations. It is just the way
things are. I don't plan on it.
It's not like you "miss" them. You
responded to a lot of the links I posted
above. It's just that you keep
pretending like the conversations never
happened, then you come back and raise
the same objections again and again.
I am aware that you are not the only one who might be reading our
conversations. Thus if I see a teaching that is unscriptural, like
Jesus is God, I will repeat it, probably a lot. I just can't let
something that important to go unchallenged.
The Bible directly states and everywhere
indicates Jesus is God:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.” (John
1:1–2, NKJV)
Watchtower solved the problem this verse
brings to their desired denial of
Christ's deity, by inserting the article
"a", where it does not occur in the
Greek. Thus they render the phrase "was
God", as "was a god".
This also shows how Watchtower has
changed their theology over the years,
from originally allowing that Jesus
should be worshiped, to gradually
denying He should be worshiped:
One notable shift pertains to the
Watchtower Society's stance on
worshipping Jesus. Initially, the
Watchtower Society supported the worship
of Jesus. For instance, an early edition
of The Watchtower magazine from 1880
stated, “to worship Christ in any form
cannot be wrong (The Watchtower 1880).”
A few years later, a 1898 issue
asserted, “Yes, we believe our Lord
Jesus while on earth was really
worshipped, and properly so. While he
was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God
(ibid. 1898).”
However, the narrative took a turn in
1959 when The Watchtower magazine
cautioned, “Do not erroneously conclude
that Christians are to worship Christ;
that is not what he taught (ibid.
1959).” By 1964, the magazine declared
unequivocally that “it is unscriptural
for worshipers of the living and true
God to render worship to the Son of God,
Jesus Christ (ibid. 1964).”
This doctrinal evolution is mirrored in
the translations of the New World
Translation. For example, the 1961
edition of this Bible translated Hebrews
1:6 as, “But when he again brings his
Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he
says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship
him’ ” (emphasis added). In stark
contrast, the 1971 edition changed the
wording to, “But when he again brings
his Firstborn into the inhabited earth,
he says: ‘And let all God’s angels do
obeisance to him’ ” (emphasis added,
Rhodes 24-27).
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RoseIf you look through those articles I
linked above, you will see that you've
been playing the amnesia game again and
again. This isn't the first time you've
pretended like you don't remember having
the documented conversations.
I don't pretend, I don't lie, or try to fool anyone. I just tell it
like I believe it. If I forget some things, you can chalk it up to
Adam.
That may explain your amnesia. It does
not explain how you claim to have
searched the links I provided, and
concluded I was not talking to you in
them. I double-checked myself, and they
all confirm I was talking to you. This
presents a credibility issue for me.
Post by z***@windstream.netI somehow got on to your web page. Although I don't agree with
everything, I will say I like the layout and coloring.
Well, thanks. Glory to God.
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseBut I am 100% certain that Jesus is not Jehovah. If he is, then the
Bible has umteen contradictions, which cannot happen.
Sure. Not only will I answer them, but
I'll document where you have already
denied the question having been
answered, at least twice.
Do whatever you feel is necessary, and so will I. Remember, your
answers to them must be reasonable, not out in fantasy land.
This is how I would categorize your
method of interpretation when it comes
to denying that God would send people to
conscious torment in hell for eternity.
You object primarily on the basis that
to you, it would be evil for God to do
this, rather than acknowledge that this
is what the Bible actually says.
When people reject God's grace, mercy,
and love in Christ, there is no other
atonement which will pay for their sins.
The only option a just God has left, is
to give them what justice requires.
When you allow your emotions to govern
what the Bible means, you stray from the
truth, and go off into fantasy land.
In my opinion, this is what happens with
your interpretation of Scriptures which
clearly state Jesus is "God". You
respect Watchtower. They deny the deity
of Christ. You submit yourself to the
"faithful slave's alterations of
Scripture and their beliefs about
Christ's deity, rather than acknowledge
what the Bible plainly states and what
it everywhere implies. "The word was God".
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose-- Revised Standard
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is
good but God alone.
Here's me answering your question back
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Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:45:50 -0500,
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Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose-- New King James
Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him,
"Why do you call Me good? No one is
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rosegood but One, that is, God."
Please explain.
Jesus did not say he was not God or that
He was not good. He was trying to get
the man to acknowledge He is God.
Actually, Jesus strongly IMPLIED that he was not God. Listen to him
again: Why do you call Me good? No one is
good but One, that is, God."
Ask any reasonable person here what Jesus meant when he would not
accept being called "good". By limiting goodness to ONLY God, he
disqualified himself as being God.
Non-sequitur. It does not follow that if
Jesus confirms there is only one who is
good (i.e. God), that He must thereby be
denying or disqualifying Himself as God.
a) Jesus claims to be "one" with the
Father, and John's testimony about
Christ confirms that in the beginning,
the word (whom John identifies as
Jesus), was both "with" God, and "was
God". John wasn't teaching there were
multiple Gods. He was plainly teaching
Jesus is God. This is why Watchtower
inserted an article where it did not
occur in Greek, to make it "word was [a]
god".
b) Here, you will cite John 17 (as you
have before), where Jesus calls on the
Father to make them "one in us". You
will then mock something to the effect
that if believers in Christ are "one" in
God, then they are also God by that
reasoning.
But this kind of claim fails to note
that Jesus didn't say believers would be
made one "with" us (as God), but one "in
us". Believers become one with other
believers in God, not one with God in God.
c) The rich young ruler had just
effectively claimed he was good. He said
he had kept all the commandments since
his youth. He was arguing in favor of
his own righteousness, claiming to be
good enough to inherit eternal life.
Williams notes,
Jesus’s response in 10:18 is not a
confession of his own sinfulness but
rather a challenge to the man’s notion
of goodness. For Jesus, true goodness
belongs to God, who is good in an
unlimited way, not by achievement or
effort but by his eternal character.
Even a modest attempt to reflect on this
point should have caused the man to
recognize that God’s perfect goodness
complicated his quest for life in God’s
kingdom. However, that does not seem to
have happened, since at the next
opportunity the man simply drops the
offending word and addresses Jesus as
“teacher” (10:20) rather than “good
teacher” (10:17)(Williams 171).
Thus, there is a reason for Jesus to
point out that only God is inherently
good. It is not necessary to understand
this as Jesus denying or disqualifying
Himself as being God, but (in context),
may legitimately be understood to mean
the man wasn't good in himself, as he
had effectively claimed.
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Here is you coming back two months
later, pretending like you didn't notice
I have no recollection of that conversation.
Three truths seem evident from that:
1) You did in fact have that
conversation, as can be verified by
anyone with the message-ID.
2) You don't own the truth that you had
the conversation, even in the face of
verifiable evidence that you did have
the conversation.
You not only claim you don't remember
it, but above, when I gave you the links
to refresh your memory, you denied that
you were the one in the conversation.
Yet I see with my own eyes that you are
the one who had the conversation. It's
your name, your email address, your news
client, your exact same arguments, your
exact same word formatting and all-caps.
That is not just a problem with your
memory. It conveys to me a lack of
integrity in admitting the truth, even
in the face of verifiable evidence.
3) If you will not own the verifiable
evidence about something as
inconsequential as that, why would I
have confidence that you will accept the
verifiable evidence from Scripture, that
Jesus is the word who was both "with
God", and who "was God"?
Thus, with me at least, your integrity
as one who will admit the verifiable
truth is in question. Until that issue
is resolved, I do not want to spend a
lot of time debating with you, as you
have convinced me you are prepared to
deny verifiable evidence.
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Mon, 20 May 2024 20:15:46 -0500,
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Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose-- New King James
Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him,
"Why do you call Me good? No one is
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rosegood but One, that is, God.
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:45:50 -0500,
[This was me changing nyms, in case you
put a kill-filter to block my posts]
I don't block anyone's post. And I never used a "kill-filter" thing,
and don't ever intend to.
Well, I know one thing, as was pointed
out in the articles I cited above. You
entertained nearly every objection by
others, and answered them in a timely
manner. You even answered me the first
time I responded to you.
However, the second I started
challenging you with questions like "Why
did Watchtower insert the article "a"
into John 1:1?", you immediately did not
respond to anything I said, for months.
At the same time, you responded to
nearly every other objection, no matter
how idiotic.
So how you selectively didn't respond to
my articles, still don't remember having
the documented conversations, and even
deny that those links point to your
articles, puts me under the impression
there is an integrity issue here, in
your claims.
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose========================
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose-- New King James
Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him,
"Why do you call Me good? No one is
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ Rosegood but One, that is, God."
Please explain.
Jesus did not say he was not God or
that He was not good. He was trying to
get the man to acknowledge He is God.
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Note: I even changed nyms, in case you
put me in a kill-file, because up to
that point, you had been selectively
ignoring my responses.
Now, here's you pretending like it
hasn't been answered the third time, a
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Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:17:05 -0500,
Christ Rose
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Post by Christ RoseSee
We've been through this 10 times
already. 90% of the time you ignore the
responses to this.
Post by Christ Rose-- Revised Standard
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said to him,
"Why do you call me good? No one is
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rosegood but God alone.
If Jesus is the second head of a
freaky 3 headed God, how can you
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And that was correct. You did in fact
come back again, three months later,
with the same spiel of objections, as if
you had no knowledge of them ever being
answered.
That is the truth of the matter.
Claiming you don't remember them is one
thing. Still denying that you were the
one involved in the conversations when I
give you verifiable links that anyone
can see shows you were, is not a memory
failure. It's you denying verifiable
evidence that anyone can see for
himself. It's hard to see how that's not
an integrity issue with your own honesty.
Most if not all of your following
objections have been answered already in
the 20 articles which you still deny you
were a participant in. For that reason,
and because it puts your honesty in
question with me, I'm going to simply
refer you back to the arguments and time
I have already invested in addressing
your objections to Christ's deity. If
you deny those, you will deny
remembering or discussing with me
anything in this current response as well.
Post by z***@windstream.netPost by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose- Revised Standard
Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the
angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
First, I'll give you just the excerpt
where I answered this from Scripture.
But then, the whole article, in which I
answered all of your objections to the
deity of Christ, to show you I was
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Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:01:57 -0500,
Christ Rose
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Post by Christ RoseOn Tue, 08 Aug 2023 07:37:57 -0400,
Post by Christ RoseJesus didn't know the day or hour.
But only God did.(Mt 24:36)
Post by Christ RosePhilippians 2 expains that Jesus gave up
His divine privileges to take on a human
“Though he was God, he did not think of
equality with God as something to cling
to. Instead, he gave up his divine
privileges; he took the humble position
of a slave and was born as a human
being. When he appeared in human form,”
(Philippians 2:6–7, NLT)
Bad translation verse 6. Let's look at a translation you use a lot.
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with
God a thing to be grasped," (ESV)
So which one is right? "he was God" or "form of God"?
"who in form of God".
(https://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/2-6.htm#)
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseSo it wasn't that Jesus ceased to be
God. He simply emptied Himself of
independent access to His divine
attributes like omniscience.
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Now here's the entire article in which I
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Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:01:57 -0500,
Christ Rose
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Post by Christ RoseOn Tue, 08 Aug 2023 07:37:57 -0400,
for a good work that we are going to
you, being a man, make yourself
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseGod.”” (John 10:33, ESV)
So yes, Jesus did claim to be God,
and the Jews understood that He was
vipers" as Jesus said. Don't
trying to stop Jesus from
accomplish that.
Post by Christ RoseBlasphemy was the charge by which they
desperately hoped to kill Jesus. If
Jesus wasn't saying things that could be
understood as blasphemy, they would not
have had a charge to make.
Post by Christ RoseJohn 10:30 is explained at John 17:21,22
Context is king in interpretation. John
10:30 is explained in the remainder of
John 10. They understood Jesus was
claiming to be God. They didn't believe
He was God, and desperately wanted to
deny it by killing Him.
In every case where you deny the deity
of Christ, you focus on a miniscule
snippet of what is said, while ignoring
the context.
Context is of #1 importance when making sense of scriptures.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ Rosewhere it says even Jesus'
disciples were ONE with God and
Jesus. Obviously it doesn't mean
Post by Christ RoseIt does not say they are one with God.
It says believers are one with each
“that they all may be one, as You,
Father, are in Me, and I in You; that
they also may be one in Us, that the
world may believe that You sent Me.”
(John 17:21, NKJV)
"may be one in us". US= God and Jesus.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseAlso to call Jesus God, contradicts
Jesus didn't know the day or hour.
But only God did.(Mt 24:36)
Post by Christ RosePhilippians 2 expains that Jesus gave up
His divine privileges to take on a human
“Though he was God, he did not think of
equality with God as something to cling
to. Instead, he gave up his divine
privileges; he took the humble position
of a slave and was born as a human
being. When he appeared in human form,”
(Philippians 2:6–7, NLT)
So it wasn't that Jesus ceased to be
God. He simply emptied Himself of
independent access to His divine
attributes like omniscience.
You are reaching for the moon. Jesus died. God ALWAYS lived. (Ps 90:2)
Also, the Bible says "God" raised Jesus from
the dead. Thus according to you, Jesus raised himself.
Post by Christ Rose(Ex 33:20)
Post by Christ Rose1. Jesus did not yet have a human body
when He was in heaven beholding God's
face. So as God, He could see God
without dying.
And of course that means that Jesus never went back to Heaven in a
physical body.
But if Jesus was God while on earth, and many people saw Jesus, why
didn't they die?
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose2. Jesus' rose from the dead with a
glorified human body, which is
incorruptible and will not die when
seeing God.
Negatrons. The Bible doesn't say or imply that at all. Yes, Jesus was
1 Pet 3:18,
"For Christ also suffered[a] once for sins, the righteous for the
unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the
flesh but made alive in the spirit"
And for more proof of this, right after Jesus was resurrected, he
appeared to Mary Magdalene who was in a garden. When Mary first saw
him, she thought he was the "gardener". It wasn't till Jesus talked to
her, that she then recognized him as Jesus.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseNo man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)
Jesus saw God before He became a man.
John 1 says Jesus was with God in the
beginning, and that He was "God".
That verse is a bad translation. And that is not what it really should
say. It should be "a god". The Bible calls Satan a "god". How much
more so would Jesus be one.
I probably in the past said these things. If so, then you should
recall that a Greek language rule was ignored in your translation of
John 1:1.
Post by Christ Rose27:46)
Post by Christ RoseThis verse proves the Father is God.
And the Bible says no one has seen the Father. See below.
Post by Christ RoseIt
Post by Christ Rosedoes not disprove that Jesus is also
God.
I never said it did.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseNo one has seen the Father. (John 6:46)
You quoted only half the verse.
I sometimes break down a verse into sections, just like I believe the
Bible does at times. I leave it up to you to look at the context.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose“(Not that anyone has ever seen the
Father; only I, who was sent from God,
have seen him.)” (John 6:46, NLT)
Are you saying he looked in a mirror? (:>)
Actually, if he was God then he was also the Father. And all of Jesus'
disciples with him, saw the "Father".
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseThere, Jesus claimed to have seen the
Father, not that no one--including
Himself--had ever seen the Father.
This is what I mena by context. In every
case, you have to focus on a small
snippet of text, while ignoring the
context, in order to support your
conclusions.
Not at all. All you have to do is to read the context around a
Scripture. I have already done that long ago.
Post by Christ Rosecreations. (Rev 3:14)
Post by Christ RoseThe Greek word "arche" is often
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea
write: These are the words of the Amen,
the faithful and true witness, the ruler
[arche] of God’s creation.” (Revelation
3:14, NIV)
This same word "arche" is also used in
Ephesians 1:21, where it carries the
“Now he [Jesus] is far above any ruler
[arche] or authority or power or leader
or anything else—not only in this world
but also in the world to come.”
(Ephesians 1:21, NLT)
I fully agree. Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom. He is over all
beings, except of course, God Himself.
Now think about it a minute. God is a jealous God, and only wants
worship directed at Him. If you are worshipping Jesus, you are
worshipping a CREATION of God. Be sure you know what you are doing.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseYes, Jesus was created by God (Col 1:15)
When you read the context, it shows that
Jesus was the agent who created
everything in the heavens and earth, and
that He "existed before anything else".
How come you can quote only part of a Scripture, but don't want me to
do that? I see nothing wrong with it to focus on a specific idea in
the Scripture.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose“Christ is the visible image of the
invisible God. He existed before
anything was created and is supreme over
all creation, for through him God
created everything in the heavenly
realms and on earth. He made the things
we can see and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and
authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and
for him. He existed before anything
else, and he holds all creation
together.” (Colossians 1:15–17, NLT)
Yes, Jesus is God's ruler in His Kingdom. He is over all other beings,
other than his Creator. And since Jesus was the very FIRST of God's
creations, he was before them all.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose"Firstborn" (protokos) has the meaning
of first in time and rank. The reason
Jesus has the right of being first
place, is because He [Jesus] is Himself
the agent of all creation.
"Strong's Ref. # 4416
Romanized prototokos
Pronounced pro-tot-ok'-os
from GSN4413 and the alternate of GSN5088; first-born (usually as
KJV--firstbegotten(-born)."
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseIn translations which render it
"firstborn", it is used as an analogy to
show that Jesus (like a firstborn son),
has the right of inheritance to all
creation.
You are missing the boat here. It's not an analogy of some kind. It is
a fact that God created him first.
You didn't apparently look closely at the context. The context is
talking about THINGS CREATED, not a bunch of analogies, of which Jesus
was the start of them.
[Jesus] "firstborn of all creation" (vs 15)
"all things were created, in heaven and on earth" (vs 16)
The creation of "thrones" (vs 16)
The creation of "dominions" (vs 16)
The creation of "rulers" (vs 16)
The creation of "authorities" (vs 16)
"all things were created through him and for him." (vs 16)
"the firstborn from the dead," (vs 18)
And to repeat, God ALWAYS lived. Was never "dead".
"Psalm 90:2
English Standard Version
Before the mountains were brought forth,
or ever you had formed the earth and the world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
Also, they give God credit for forming the "earth and the world,". Not
Jesus.
"
Post by Christ Rose(Deut 6:4)
12:29)
Post by Christ RoseCorrect. --One God, manifested in three
Today they call that: Dissociative identity disorder (DID),
But used to be called: multiple personality disorder (MPD)
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose“Therefore, go and make disciples of all
the nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and the Son and the Holy
Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19, NLT)
That says NOTHING about a 4th century Trinity doctrine. It just names
three things to give attention to, when baptizing.
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseIt says to baptize them in the "name"
(singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. One God. One divine essence.
Three distinct persons.
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
Then why did the Apostle Paul say that Jesus was in subjection to God?
(1 Cor 11:3)
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseOnly God is good. (Mr 10:18)
Context is king. Jesus did not disavow
the title "good". The rich, young ruler
wanted to know how to inherit eternal
life. Was he willing to acknowledge
Jesus is God?
No record of that in the Bible.
Post by Christ Roseonly God. (Mt 4:10)
Post by Christ RoseYet Jesus accepted Thomas' worship, and
blessed those who believe what Thomas
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
Then Jesus told him, “You believe
because you have seen me. Blessed are
those who believe without seeing me.””
(John 20:28–29, NLT)
"Holy Cow"! "Gee Wizz!" "Oh my God!" "Jesus, "Mary,and Joseph!"
Thus they are an expression of surprise.
Post by Christ Rose(1 Cor 11:3)
Post by Christ RoseSubmission does not imply inferiority.
1 Cor 11:3. But I want you to understand that the head of every man
is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of
Christ is God. (ESV)
This is rank.
man= Christ
wife= husband
Christ= God
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ RoseOn earth, wives are equal to husbands
(Galatians 3:28), yet are told to
voluntarily submit (Ephesians 5:22-24).
This is a functional necessity.
Clear as mud.
Post by Christ Rosenot Jesus (Rev 19:10)
Post by Christ RoseThe angel said to worship God, not
himself [the angel], because the angel
was merely a fellow servant with John,
of God.
The angel SENT BY JESUS, didn't say to 'worship Jesus', which he
should have if he was God.
Also, Jesus make it plain: John 14:6
English Standard Version
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one
comes to the me except through me.""'
Post by Christ RosePost by Christ Rose“Then I fell down at his feet to worship
him, but he said to me, “You must not do
that! I am a fellow servant with you and
your brothers who hold to the testimony
of Jesus. Worship God.” For the
testimony of Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy.” (Revelation 19:10, ESV)
This does not mean Jesus is not God. It
could actually be equating Jesus with
God.
It reads just like it is. John wanted to worship the angel. The angel
said not to do that. Then JESUS' ANGEL didn't say to worship Jesus,
but to "Worship God".
Post by Christ Rose========================================
Now. Go hide for 3 weeks, and come back
and raise the same objections about
Christ's deity. I've documented you
doing this over and over again.
Post by Christ RoseYou appear to love God and Jesus, and go to the Bible a lot. Don't let
the Devil dictate what is Bible doctrine. (1 Tim 4:1) Let God do it.
Where did I do otherwise?
I can think of 3. But if any isn't true, let me know.
1. Human's have an immortal soul. (source: Plato and Aristotle)
2. Your sadistic god tortures FOREVER his bad children. Yet the Bible
calls him "A God of love". (1 Jo 4:8)
3. Your evil, sadistic god is a puppet of Satan, who wants to
downgrade God when he can.
Sincerely James.
Just what is our free
Bible course like?
Go to jw.org
for answers.
9/23/2024
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for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and
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