Bible stuff the Lord tells me about...5

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-17 23:14:22 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of man in
the Spirit of Truth.

I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I come
to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man knows
nothing! It doesn't come from me!

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

Dust, dust, all is dust.

"I wish everyone could get rich and famous and everything they ever
dreamed of so that can see that's not the answer."

Jim Carrey

Because it is dust, yet the whole world is caught in the grip of the lie.

Jim had to get that way to know, but I did not, because the Lord Jesus
is the way, truth, and the life. NOT BUDDHA!!!

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Rod

2021-10-18 00:07:25 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of man in
the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I come
to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man knows
nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
and contradictions.

Robert

2021-10-18 00:26:36 UTC

Post by Rod

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of man in
the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I come
to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man knows
nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Post by Rod

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

The ever enduring brain washing doctrine of the RCC rules the lives of those
who were caught in its grasp.

Supposedly the complainers seek to be released from its grasp, like many
atheists, or those that turn to other religions, yet their whole mindset of
who is a christian or not is totally based on the doctrines of the RCC and
they do not seek the truth in the scriptures. (Which was written well before
the RCC placed their hands on it.) Even the free clues that the RCC gives
them via the Apocrypha books that clearly disagree with scripture does not
ring a bell in their mindset.

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 00:54:05 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of man
in the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I
come to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man knows
nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

   In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
   but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
   mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
   the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
   and contradictions.

I speak of things above, not of the things of this world.

Buddhism cannot save you, it can only offer you dust and disconnection.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Rod

2021-10-18 02:34:58 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of man
in the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I
come to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man
knows nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

    In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
    but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
    mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
    the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
    and contradictions.

I speak of things above, not of the things of this world.
Buddhism cannot save you, it can only offer you dust and disconnection.

Saved from what Michael? Please be explicit!

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 08:13:05 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of
man in the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I
come to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man
knows nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards
fall where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

    In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
    but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
    mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
    the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
    and contradictions.

I speak of things above, not of the things of this world.
Buddhism cannot save you, it can only offer you dust and disconnection.

Saved from what Michael? Please be explicit!

Saved from the dust and disconnection of your existence!

Do you want to end up like that Robert loser??

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 21:12:35 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of
man in the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I
come to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man
knows nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards
fall where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till
thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for
dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going
to bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions;
they wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to
open your eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,
fervently, wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did
with me all those years ago.

    In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
    but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
    mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
    the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
    and contradictions.

I speak of things above, not of the things of this world.
Buddhism cannot save you, it can only offer you dust and disconnection.

Saved from what Michael? Please be explicit!

Saved from the dust and disconnection of your existence!
Do you want to end up like that Robert loser??

Once again I ask you to be direct and honest.

So I am indirect and dishonest then?? :-). How many bloody years have
I been talking to you directly and honestly, and you still do not hear??

Do you want to end up like that Robert loser??!!

What are we to be
saved from, Michael?

Saved...from...the...dust and disconnection...from being without God.

Buddhism is that.

Saved from yourself.

Saved from death.

Saved from your own ignorance and delusion.

Saved from the lie of self.

Saved from folly, wrong.

Saved from stupidity.

Saved from everything which does not save...humanism...and neither has
in the entire history of man!

Now, you stop being invalid and dishonest, Rod, what is your 'Buddhism'
doing for you?? Please be explicit!

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Branimir Maksimovic

2021-10-20 03:35:16 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me about...4...

Did he identify himself? No? The voices in your head
don't identify themselves? No callsigns?

Of course the Lord identifies Himself. It occurs in the heart of
man in the Spirit of Truth.
I have been speaking the truth for years, Rod. How do you think I
come to know all that I know and experience? Myself?? Ha! Man
knows nothing! It doesn't come from me!
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards
fall where God intends."

Post by Michael Christ
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till
thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for
dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going
to bring in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those years ago.

    In truth Jesus was a Buddhist teacher, a Buddha in his own right,
    but it was the Hebrews that edited and wrote the OT, not God as the
    mistakes and contradictions clearly show. It was Christians and
scribes of Constantine that chose the books that would be
    the bible, and even those books are filled with mistakes
    and contradictions.

I speak of things above, not of the things of this world.
Buddhism cannot save you, it can only offer you dust and disconnection.

Saved from what Michael? Please be explicit!

Saved from the dust and disconnection of your existence!
Do you want to end up like that Robert loser??

Once again I ask you to be direct and honest. What are we to be
saved from, Michael?

From reincarnations. Not exactly saved, rather teached to be good and
have proper place with God in Heaven.
Life is school, you repeat class until learned.
Everytime you reset, but have hints throughout life
and what you learned before.
No one goes to HELL against it's Free Will.
if you like to live here with Devil and demons, so be it...

--
7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...

Robert

2021-10-18 00:05:21 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful nature but
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in residence
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit, this one
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the one hand
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the spirit is alive
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.

Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's Spirit, these
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are God's
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of God, on
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering with Him
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be

revealed upon us.

You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.

The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when released from
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 00:49:17 UTC

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful nature but
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in residence
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit, this one
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the one hand
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the spirit is alive
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's Spirit, these
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are God's
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of God, on
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering with Him
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when released from
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

If you were born again, Buddy, you would be able to see straight through
that Duane Sheriff lying character.

Thus, your bible verses don't hold any weight because the Spirit of
Truth is not on your page.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Robert

2021-10-18 01:33:11 UTC

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful nature but
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in residence
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit, this one
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the one hand
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the spirit is alive
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's Spirit, these
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are God's
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of God, on
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering with Him
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when released from
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

The pages you read are those of your computer, don't blame me. :)

I only provided the copies of the scriptural text from the Lord.

Actually, Michael, it is good to see you backing away publicly and thus show
the true status of your heart. Should cause anyone or everyone to wonder, and
ponder the scripture, the truth of the Lord over that which stems from your
mind.

Ted

2021-10-18 03:53:04 UTC

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the

sinful nature

Post by Robert
but
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in residence
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's

Spirit, this one

Post by Robert
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the one hand
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the

spirit is

Post by Robert
alive
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you,

He who

Post by Robert
raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually

putting to death

Post by Robert
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's Spirit, these
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are God's
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand,

heirs of God, on

Post by Robert
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are

suffering with Him

Post by Robert
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when released from
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake of Fire and

Brimstone.

Post by Michael Christ
If you were born again, Buddy, you would be able to see straight through
that Duane Sheriff lying character.
Thus, your bible verses don't hold any weight because the Spirit of
Truth is not on your page.
Michael Christ

The pages you read are those of your
computer, don't blame me. :)
I only provided the copies of the scriptural
text from the Lord.

Which you don't really believe.

Post by Robert
Actually, Michael, it is good to see you backing away publicly and thus show
the true status of your heart. Should cause anyone or everyone to wonder, and
ponder the scripture, the truth of the Lord over that which stems from your
mind.

< irony meter overload>

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 08:11:30 UTC

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful nature but
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in residence
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit, this one
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the one hand
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the spirit is alive
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's Spirit, these
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are God's
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of God, on
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering with Him
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when released from
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

The pages you read are those of your computer, don't blame me. :)
I only provided the copies of the scriptural text from the Lord.
Actually, Michael, it is good to see you backing away publicly and thus show
the true status of your heart. Should cause anyone or everyone to wonder, and
ponder the scripture, the truth of the Lord over that which stems from your
mind.

For goodness sake, go away and take your theology with you, Duane boy.

Thank you.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Ted

2021-10-18 03:50:43 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

spirit is alive

Post by Robert
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the One who
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then, brethren,
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live habitually
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are living
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the way to
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's

Spirit, these

Post by Robert
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again with
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult sons, by
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself is
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are

God's

Post by Robert
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of God, on
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering with Him
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to a
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are of no
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again Spirit of
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when

released from

Post by Robert
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to be with
the god of this present world, in the Lake
of Fire and Brimstone.

Nowhere can that be inferred from any of Paul's words. You're trying
to force scripture to fit your dogma.

Robert

2021-10-18 05:19:58 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust

thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same

vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all

is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS

DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going

to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open

your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all

those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful

nature but

Post by Robert
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in

residence

Post by Robert
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit,

this one

Post by Robert
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the

one hand

Post by Robert
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the

spirit is alive

Post by Robert
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the

One who

Post by Robert
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He

who raised

Post by Robert
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal

bodies

Post by Robert
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then,

brethren,

Post by Robert
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live

habitually

Post by Robert
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are

living

Post by Robert
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the

way to

Post by Robert
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting

to death

Post by Robert
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's

Spirit, these

Post by Robert
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again

with

Post by Robert
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult

sons, by

Post by Robert
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself

Post by Robert
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are

God's

Post by Robert
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of

God, on

Post by Robert
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering

with Him

Post by Robert
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to

Post by Robert
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are

of no

Post by Robert
weight in comparison to the glory which is about to be
revealed upon us.
You should have read the rest of the story, as to why men were put
unwillingly was subjects of Vanity, and to how they walk in Freedom.
The sinful body is what is returned to dust, not the Born Again

Spirit of

Post by Robert
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when

released from

Post by Robert
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to

be with

Post by Robert
the god of this present world, in the Lake
of Fire and Brimstone.

Nowhere can that be inferred from any of Paul's words. You're trying
to force scripture to fit your dogma.

Rom 6:6-7
(6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve
sin.
(7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Rom 6:12-14
(12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should
obey it in the lusts thereof.
(13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from
the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under
the law, but under grace.

You should actually read the bible and not believer everything you
hear. Salvation is of the Lord, via his shed blood.

Rev 7:13-14
(13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these
which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
(14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These
are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their
robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Notice it says nothing about water baptism, and this is a word from
the future to men of today.

Michael Christ

2021-10-18 08:18:44 UTC

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust

thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same

vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all

is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS

DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going

to bring

your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all

those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Rom(9-13) But, as for you, you are not in the sphere of the sinful

nature but

Post by Robert
in the sphere of the Spirit, provided that the Spirit of God is in

residence

Post by Robert
in you. But, assuming that a person does not have Christ's Spirit,

this one

Post by Robert
does not belong to Him. But, assuming that Christ is in you, on the

one hand

Post by Robert
the body is dead on account of sin, but on the other hand the

spirit is alive

Post by Robert
on account of righteousness. And assuming that the Spirit of the

One who

Post by Robert
raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He

who raised

Post by Robert
from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal

bodies

Post by Robert
through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. So then,

brethren,

Post by Robert
we are those under obligation, not to the sinful nature to live

habitually

Post by Robert
under the dominion of the sinful nature. For, assuming that you are

living

Post by Robert
habitually under the dominion of the sinful nature, you are on the

way to

Post by Robert
dying. But, assuming that by the Spirit you are habitually putting

to death

Post by Robert
the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom (14-18) For as many as are being constantly led by God's

Spirit, these

Post by Robert
are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again

with

Post by Robert
resulting fear, but you received the Spirit who places you as adult

sons, by

Post by Robert
whom we cry out with deep emotion, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself

Post by Robert
constantly bearing joint-testimony with our spirit that we are

God's

Post by Robert
children, and since children, also heirs; on the one hand, heirs of

God, on

Post by Robert
the other, joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we are suffering

with Him

Post by Robert
in order that we also may be glorified together, for I have come to

Post by Robert
reasoned conclusion that the sufferings of the present season are

of no

Spirit of

Post by Robert
Man, not even the spirits of sinful men, the Born Again when

released from

Post by Robert
the body go the be with the Lord, freed. The sin stained spirit to

be with

Post by Robert
the god of this present world, in the Lake
of Fire and Brimstone.

Nowhere can that be inferred from any of Paul's words. You're trying to
force scripture to fit your dogma.

You have hit the nail on the head, Ted, and driven it into the wood
without a punch. Robert is indeed only interested in forcing scripture
to fit his dogma, and pulling his religious dick. Always has been!!

Yuck, I wish he would just do his private in private!

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "The don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-22 07:42:37 UTC

On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

You are talking about stuff your bible contains. Where is
the supporting evidence that your bible has any actual
connection whatsoever to any god?

Because it says so? Could it be lying?

Where is the evidence to support the existence of any god?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-22 15:08:50 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Robert

2021-10-22 17:09:11 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.

Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

El Kabong

2021-10-22 19:37:43 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.

Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

Ted

2021-10-22 21:24:02 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

till thou

Post by Michael Christ
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Robert

2021-10-23 01:28:10 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Attila

2021-10-23 05:29:53 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 07:36:52 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.

Yet mathematicians have determined that the odds of such a thing taking place
are a ka-billion times greater than the odds of the theory of evolution
taking place.

Attila

2021-10-23 09:10:50 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.

Yet mathematicians have determined that the odds of such a thing taking place
are a ka-billion times greater than the odds of the theory of evolution
taking place.

What mathematicians? What exact prophecies? Be specific
about specific instances and not general comments about
"prophecies". There are too many variations to talk in
generalities.

Especially when they are so easy to support after the fact
but seem to be so difficult before. For example, what will
be the next Powerball number this week?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 14:17:28 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.

Yet mathematicians have determined that the odds of such a thing taking place
are a ka-billion times greater than the odds of the theory of evolution
taking place.

What mathematicians? What exact prophecies? Be specific
about specific instances and not general comments about
"prophecies". There are too many variations to talk in
generalities.

Mathematicians of all sorts, some who are not even believers.

I forgot how many different prophecies there are on the subject, each with
specific detail that much be carried out to make it a prophecy of God, and if
Remember there was over 231 such prophecies. Which I have brought up all
these things several years ago. I believe there are multiple listings on the
Net with links if you really want to delve into the specifics and reinvent
the wheel. Hence my speaking in generalities since you have shown nothing but
disdain for them.

Especially when they are so easy to support after the fact
but seem to be so difficult before. For example, what will
be the next Powerball number this week?

After the fact studies would show up distinct failures, if any, and a
comparison surrounding the people, places, and events would show up glaring
deficiencies if there were any. The prophecies were 100's of years old when
Christ was born, some going back 4,000 years.

Want to disprove Jesus? The study all the prophecies and look for the flaws.
Many before you have done so and the only failures they found were of their
own thinking. ;)

Robert

2021-10-23 17:44:36 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the
birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.

Yet mathematicians have determined that the odds of such a thing taking place
are a ka-billion times greater than the odds of the theory of evolution
taking place.

What mathematicians? What exact prophecies? Be specific
about specific instances and not general comments about
"prophecies". There are too many variations to talk in
generalities.

Mathematicians of all sorts, some who are not even believers.

Specific references please.

Post by Robert
I forgot how many different prophecies there are on the subject, each with
specific detail that much be carried out to make it a prophecy of God, and if
Remember there was over 231 such prophecies. Which I have brought up all
these things several years ago. I believe there are multiple listings on the
Net with links if you really want to delve into the specifics and reinvent
the wheel. Hence my speaking in generalities since you have shown nothing but
disdain for them.

Generalities can mean anything. I have noticed a consistent
lack of specifics in the comments here.

Especially when they are so easy to support after the fact
but seem to be so difficult before. For example, what will
be the next Powerball number this week?

But who decides the "prophecy" was in fact accurate?

Post by Robert
Want to disprove Jesus?

Nope. I am waiting for one of you who assert him to prove
your assertion.

As already pointed out to you, God already has.

Post by Robert
The study all the prophecies and look for the flaws.
Many before you have done so and the only failures they found were of their
own thinking. ;)

More useless generalities,

Attila

2021-10-23 20:34:39 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were

of a

Post by Robert
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the

signs

following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the

prophecies being

fulfilled as they were written about
thousands of years before our time.

The only "fulfilled" prophecies were written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of prophecies surrounding the
birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Any sideshow performer can show the value of prophecies.

Yet mathematicians have determined that the odds of such a thing taking place
are a ka-billion times greater than the odds of the theory of evolution
taking place.

What mathematicians? What exact prophecies? Be specific
about specific instances and not general comments about
"prophecies". There are too many variations to talk in
generalities.

Mathematicians of all sorts, some who are not even believers.

Specific references please.

Generalities can mean anything. I have noticed a consistent
lack of specifics in the comments here.

Especially when they are so easy to support after the fact
but seem to be so difficult before. For example, what will
be the next Powerball number this week?

But who decides the "prophecy" was in fact accurate?

Post by Robert
Want to disprove Jesus?

Nope. I am waiting for one of you who assert him to prove
your assertion.

As already pointed out to you, God already has.

Not anywhere I have seen.

Post by Robert
The study all the prophecies and look for the flaws.
Many before you have done so and the only failures they found were of their
own thinking. ;)

More useless generalities,

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Ted

2021-10-23 16:13:27 UTC

Post by Ted
The only "fulfilled" prophecies were
written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of
prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ.

There are zero such. But let's go through your claims one at a time.

Micah 5:2 2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been
from of old, from everlasting."

Problem was, it was too well known from oral tradition that Jesus was
from Nazareth. (Which, btw, was something no Christian would have
made up, adding to the mountain of evidence that Jesus was a real
person.)

So several mutually contradictory oral traditions also arose that he
was born in Bethlehem, because the christers of the time needed to
invent a fulfilled prophecy. Luke recorded one of them and Matthew
another.

Read both of them together, Robert. Both are highly implausible, if
not impossible, and they contradict each other.

Ted

2021-10-23 19:16:45 UTC

Post by Ted
The only "fulfilled" prophecies were
written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of
prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ.

There are zero such. But let's go through your claims one at a time.
Micah 5:2 2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been
from of old, from everlasting."
Problem was, it was too well known from oral tradition that Jesus was
from Nazareth. (Which, btw, was something no Christian would have
made up, adding to the mountain of evidence that Jesus was a real
person.)
So several mutually contradictory oral traditions also arose that he
was born in Bethlehem, because the christers of the time needed to
invent a fulfilled prophecy. Luke recorded one of them and Matthew
another.
Read both of them together, Robert. Both are highly implausible, if
not impossible, and they contradict each other.

Only because you evidently never read it for yourself to confirm the
realities.
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the
king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, (Mat 2:1,
KJV)

Something Luke forgot to mention.

Why was he born there?
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into
Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of
the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife,
being great with child. (Luk 2:4-5, KJV)

Which could never have occurred. There was never any census requiring
people to return to their ancestral homelands, nor could there have
been. There would have been no point to it, and it would have created
a logistical nightmare. It's just a silly way to get Jesus to be born
in Bethlehem because Luke had to admit he was from Nazareth. Matthew,
otoh, has Joseph and Mary already living in Bethlehem when she was
knocked up.

And where was Jesus raised?
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod,

Because Herod ordered all the kids less than two years old in
Bethlehem to be murdered. Although this is something the maniac might
have done, it's nowhere else recorded, not even by Josephus, who
listed Herod's atrocities. Not even in Luke, who makes no mention of
it. Did Luke somehow deem it irrelevant?

they departed into their own country another way. And when they were
departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream,
saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt,

Why not just go back to Nazareth, if that's where they were from?
Because, according to Matthew, they weren't -- they were from
Bethlehem and moved later to Nazareth, in contradiction with Luke, who
has them from Nazareth and going to Bethlehem for the census.

and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young
child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother

And Herod died in 4 BC. Whereas, Luke says the census first occurred
when Cyerenius was governor of Syria, a post to which he was appointed
in 6 AD. Go figure, huh?

that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,
saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. (Mat 2:12-15, KJV)

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I
called my son. Has nothing to do with Jesus. But Matthew tended to be
overly fond of inventing prophecies that applied to Jesus, and so he
included it.

This wasn't exactly dishonest on Matthew's part, btw. When the Dead
Sea Scrolls were discovered, Scholars learned that it was common for
authors to make connections that could only be perceived by those who
had faith. (Called "pesher" -- look it up.)

And what about Nazareth?
But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream
to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother,
and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young
child's life. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came
into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea
notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the

Yeah, whatever. Gotta get him into Nazareth somehow because it was too
well known to be denied that that's where Jesus was from. Because
according to Matthew (not Luke), they were originally from Bethlehem.

parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it
might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a
Nazarene. (Mat 2:19-23, KJV)

And here Matthew is just making shit up out of whole cloth. That
prophecy if found nowhere in the OT.

All these places were fulfillment of past prophecy, and yes historical
evidence bears this out. Even the killing of the children under two is in
Roman records.

Nope. I wish it were, but it isn't.

Now,.... Where are those discrepancies you spoke of?

See above. And that's only a small fraction of them.

Robert

2021-10-23 22:48:58 UTC

Post by Ted
The only "fulfilled" prophecies were
written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of
prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ.

There are zero such. But let's go through your claims one at a time.
Micah 5:2 2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been
from of old, from everlasting."
Problem was, it was too well known from oral tradition that Jesus was
from Nazareth. (Which, btw, was something no Christian would have
made up, adding to the mountain of evidence that Jesus was a real
person.)
So several mutually contradictory oral traditions also arose that he
was born in Bethlehem, because the christers of the time needed to
invent a fulfilled prophecy. Luke recorded one of them and Matthew
another.
Read both of them together, Robert. Both are highly implausible, if
not impossible, and they contradict each other.

Only because you evidently never read it for yourself to confirm the
realities.
“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the
king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,” (Mat 2:1,
KJV)

Something Luke forgot to mention.

Why was he born there?
“And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into
Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of
the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife,
being great with child.” (Luk 2:4-5, KJV)

So you never let your mind read what is written if if differs from what is in
you head, eh?

Which points to the fact that you argue from the point of an agenda, and are
agenda driven, the facts be damned.

I can accept that as your choice and that there is no room for discussion as
your thoughts reign supreme. Therefore I am wasting your time and you mine.

God spoke the words for both your benefit and mine. Yet the will have no
effect on those who refuse Him.

HAND

And where was Jesus raised?
“And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod,

and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young
child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother

And Herod died in 4 BC. Whereas, Luke says the census first occurred
when Cyerenius was governor of Syria, a post to which he was appointed
in 6 AD. Go figure, huh?

that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,
saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.” (Mat 2:12-15, KJV)

Hosea 11:1 “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I
called my son.” Has nothing to do with Jesus. But Matthew tended to be
overly fond of inventing prophecies that applied to Jesus, and so he
included it.
This wasn't exactly dishonest on Matthew's part, btw. When the Dead
Sea Scrolls were discovered, Scholars learned that it was common for
authors to make connections that could only be perceived by those who
had faith. (Called "pesher" -- look it up.)

And what about Nazareth?
“But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a
dream
to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother,
and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young
child's life. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came
into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea
notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the

parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it
might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a
Nazarene.” (Mat 2:19-23, KJV)

And here Matthew is just making shit up out of whole cloth. That
prophecy if found nowhere in the OT.

All these places were fulfillment of past prophecy, and yes historical
evidence bears this out. Even the killing of the children under two is in
Roman records.

Nope. I wish it were, but it isn't.

Now,.... Where are those discrepancies you spoke of?

See above. And that's only a small fraction of them.

Ted

2021-10-24 04:11:12 UTC

Post by Robert
(in

Post by Ted
The only "fulfilled" prophecies were
written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of
prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ.

There are zero such. But let's go through your claims one at a time.
Micah 5:2 2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been
from of old, from everlasting."
Problem was, it was too well known from oral tradition that Jesus was
from Nazareth. (Which, btw, was something no Christian would have
made up, adding to the mountain of evidence that Jesus was a real
person.)
So several mutually contradictory oral traditions also arose that he
was born in Bethlehem, because the christers of the time

needed to

Post by Ted
invent a fulfilled prophecy. Luke recorded one of them and Matthew
another.
Read both of them together, Robert. Both are highly

implausible, if

Post by Ted
not impossible, and they contradict each other.

Only because you evidently never read it for yourself to

confirm the

realities.
“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the
king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,” (Mat 2:1,
KJV)

Something Luke forgot to mention.

Why was he born there?
“And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into
Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;

(because he was

of
the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his

espoused wife,

being great with child.” (Luk 2:4-5, KJV)

Which could never have occurred. There was never any census

requiring

Post by Ted
people to return to their ancestral homelands, nor could there have
been. There would have been no point to it, and it would have created
a logistical nightmare. It's just a silly way to get Jesus to be born
in Bethlehem because Luke had to admit he was from Nazareth.

Matthew,

Post by Ted
otoh, has Joseph and Mary already living in Bethlehem when she was
knocked up.

So you never let your mind read what is written if if differs from what is in
you head, eh?
Which points to the fact that you argue from the point of an

agenda, and are

Post by Robert
agenda driven, the facts be damned.
I can accept that as your choice and that there is no room for

discussion as

Post by Robert
your thoughts reign supreme. Therefore I
am wasting your time and you mine.
God spoke the words for both your benefit and mine. Yet the will have no
effect on those who refuse Him.
HAND

You're running away because you fear the truth. And you fear the
truth because you suspect, on some level, that your beliefs may be
groundless. And that scares the shit outta you. So you'll do whatever
it takes to continue keeping yourself deceived.

Ted

2021-10-24 06:06:00 UTC

(in

Post by Robert
(in

Post by Ted
The only "fulfilled" prophecies were
written after the events they
prophesied.

Incorrect, an example are the hundreds of
prophecies surrounding the birth,
life and death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ.

There are zero such. But let's go through your claims one

Post by Ted
a time.

Post by Ted
Micah 5:2 2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be

little

Post by Ted
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he

come

Post by Ted
forth

Post by Ted
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth

have been

Post by Ted
from of old, from everlasting."
Problem was, it was too well known from oral tradition

that

Post by Ted
Jesus was

Post by Ted
from Nazareth. (Which, btw, was something no Christian

would

Post by Ted
have

Post by Ted
made up, adding to the mountain of evidence that Jesus

was a

Post by Ted
real

Post by Ted
person.)
So several mutually contradictory oral traditions also

arose

Post by Ted
that he

Post by Ted
was born in Bethlehem, because the christers of the time

needed to

Post by Ted
invent a fulfilled prophecy. Luke recorded one of them and

Matthew

Post by Ted
another.
Read both of them together, Robert. Both are highly

implausible, if

Post by Ted
not impossible, and they contradict each other.

Only because you evidently never read it for yourself to

confirm the

realities.
“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days

Post by Ted
Herod the

king, behold, there came wise men from the east to

Jerusalem,”

Post by Ted
(Mat 2:1,

KJV)

Something Luke forgot to mention.

Why was he born there?
“And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of

Nazareth, into

Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;

(because he was

of
the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his

espoused wife,

being great with child.” (Luk 2:4-5, KJV)

Which could never have occurred. There was never any census

requiring

Post by Ted
people to return to their ancestral homelands, nor could there

have

Post by Ted
been. There would have been no point to it, and it would have

created

Post by Ted
a logistical nightmare. It's just a silly way to get Jesus to

Post by Ted
born

Post by Ted
in Bethlehem because Luke had to admit he was from Nazareth.

Matthew,

Post by Ted
otoh, has Joseph and Mary already living in Bethlehem when she was
knocked up.

So you never let your mind read what is written if if differs

from

Post by Ted
what is in

Post by Robert
you head, eh?
Which points to the fact that you argue from the point of an

agenda, and are

Post by Robert
agenda driven, the facts be damned.
I can accept that as your choice and that there is no room for

discussion as

Post by Robert
your thoughts reign supreme. Therefore I
am wasting your time and you mine.
God spoke the words for both your benefit and mine. Yet the will

have no

Post by Robert
effect on those who refuse Him.
HAND

You're running away because you fear the truth. And you fear the
truth because you suspect, on some level, that your beliefs may be
groundless. And that scares the shit outta you. So you'll do

whatever

Post by Ted
it takes to continue keeping yourself deceived.

No, I am not running away, I am putting aside childish arguments

you keep

rehashing without learning or understanding anything. You have no

desire to

better yourself.

We were discussing the utter lack of fulfilled prophecy, not my
personal improvement. And you completely ignored my latest response,
changing the subject instead of addressing it. That's called "running
away".

HTH

Attila

2021-10-22 21:32:22 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

Don't you love items proven by generalities?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 01:29:28 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

Attila

2021-10-23 05:32:07 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."

You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 07:38:37 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."
You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.

Only a person with great ignorance of the prophecies and times can say
something like that.

Attila

2021-10-23 09:12:54 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."
You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.

Only a person with great ignorance of the prophecies and times can say
something like that.

See my previous post about "prophecies" and then post the
next winning Powerball number.

Prophecies are easy after the fact - before, not so much.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 14:25:43 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the prophecies
being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."
You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.

Only a person with great ignorance of the prophecies and times can say
something like that.

See my previous post about "prophecies" and then post the
next winning Powerball number.
Prophecies are easy after the fact - before, not so much.

Prophecies from God are just that. If God were to prophecy the number of the
Powerball it would obviously have to be given before the event, otherwise the
story would be a historical writing.

Plus if God prophecies such a thing it would be made available to all men, In
which case you might get back .25 cents for every dollar spent on it.

God gave prophecies in Luke 12 about today's current events and what they are
leading up to. IOW's he gave you and me fair warning on what is going on and
what is about to happen. Will you be wise or a scoffer?

Attila

2021-10-23 17:18:26 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the prophecies
being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."
You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.

Only a person with great ignorance of the prophecies and times can say
something like that.

See my previous post about "prophecies" and then post the
next winning Powerball number.
Prophecies are easy after the fact - before, not so much.

Prophecies from God are just that. If God were to prophecy the number of the
Powerball it would obviously have to be given before the event, otherwise the
story would be a historical writing.

Or just another of what you consider a large number of
accurate prophecies.

Post by Robert
Plus if God prophecies such a thing it would be made available to all men, In
which case you might get back .25 cents for every dollar spent on it.

Yep. But I still see nothing.

Post by Robert
God gave prophecies in Luke 12 about today's current events and what they are
leading up to. IOW's he gave you and me fair warning on what is going on and
what is about to happen. Will you be wise or a scoffer?

Just exactly who decides a prophecy if fulfilled? Is some
'interpretation' required or is the exact specific event
spelled out?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila

2021-10-23 22:49:48 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the
saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord
tells
me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till
thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for
dust
thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the
same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;
all
is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL
IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is
going
to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions;
they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to
open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me
all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the
Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you
from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that
changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true and the proofs are in the
signs
following as I quoted above, Plus you can add to that the prophecies
being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our
time.

Don't you love items proven by generalities?

There are no generalities. "You must be born again" is not a
generality.

"Plus you can add to that the prophecies being fulfilled as
they were written about thousands of years before our time."
You can't get more general than that. Ask any sideshow
performer.

Only a person with great ignorance of the prophecies and times can say
something like that.

See my previous post about "prophecies" and then post the
next winning Powerball number.
Prophecies are easy after the fact - before, not so much.

Prophecies from God are just that. If God were to prophecy the number of the
Powerball it would obviously have to be given before the event, otherwise the
story would be a historical writing.

Or just another of what you consider a large number of
accurate prophecies.

Post by Robert
Plus if God prophecies such a thing it would be made available to all men, In
which case you might get back .25 cents for every dollar spent on it.

Yep. But I still see nothing.

Of course because he hasn't done that.

I see nothing supporting anything else.

Just exactly who decides a prophecy if fulfilled? Is some
'interpretation' required or is the exact specific event
spelled out?

I have already answered that.

No, you haven't. You evaded the question.

I told you and I lie not, I have already addressed that.

I have not seen it. I have seen a lot of claims about what
you have posted yet I see little from you other than claims
and assertions you don't support.

It is none of my
concern if you do not read all that I posted or glossed over it.

El Kabong

2021-10-23 01:03:18 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true

You mean the bible says God says it is true.

and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above,

You mean the bible says there were signs and miracles.

Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

You mean the anonymous gospel writers, years after Jesus
died, wrote stories in which Jesus fulfilled some
messianic prophecies.

Except they forgot some. Like, he would be called
Immanuel, and the government would be upon his shoulders.
Or Jesus saying some of his audience would survive until
his triumphant return.

You can't prove the bible with the bible, any more than a
great movie proves the Wizard of Oz is real.

Oh well. Pretty good for fiction, isn't it.

Robert

2021-10-23 07:46:01 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true

You mean the bible says God says it is true.

and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above,

You mean the bible says there were signs and miracles.

And greater ones than those when Christ returned to heaven.

Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

You mean the anonymous gospel writers, years after Jesus
died, wrote stories in which Jesus fulfilled some
messianic prophecies.

There are no anonymous writers, and they were all eyewitnesses of the
resurrected Jesus Christ.

Post by El Kabong
Except they forgot some. Like, he would be called
Immanuel, and the government would be upon his shoulders.
Or Jesus saying some of his audience would survive until
his triumphant return.

He is called Immanuel. He never said that any man would he alive from that
day until he returned.
He said there be some standing there that would see his kingdom come, and it
did, and I am in that kingdom as well as all other Born Again believers. We
were born into His Kingdom. Yet, there is an actual physical Kingdom that is
to come when he returns and the Born Again believers will rule the kingdom
with Jesus Christ.

Post by El Kabong
You can't prove the bible with the bible, any more than a
great movie proves the Wizard of Oz is real.
Oh well. Pretty good for fiction, isn't it.

You totally missed the obvious signs and wonders proofs.
Those signs do not follow those without Faith.

El Kabong

2021-10-23 11:32:19 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true

You mean the bible says God says it is true.

and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above,

You mean the bible says there were signs and miracles.

And greater ones than those when Christ returned to heaven.

But only because the bible says so.

Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

You mean the anonymous gospel writers, years after Jesus
died, wrote stories in which Jesus fulfilled some
messianic prophecies.

There are no anonymous writers, and they were all eyewitnesses of the
resurrected Jesus Christ.

The synoptic gospels were all anonymous and it's unlikely
any were eyewitnesses. John may have been written by
John the apostle, or it may not. No one knows, certainly
not you.

He is called Immanuel.

No he's not. Do you ever pray to Immanuel?

Post by Robert
He never said that any man would he alive from that
day until he returned.

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there
be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with
power.

Post by Robert
He said there be some standing there that would see his kingdom come, and it
did, and I am in that kingdom as well as all other Born Again believers. We
were born into His Kingdom. Yet, there is an actual physical Kingdom that is
to come when he returns and the Born Again believers will rule the kingdom
with Jesus Christ.

"come with power" does not mean the church. It means the
2nd coming. Hasn't happened yet, if you've noticed.

Post by El Kabong
You can't prove the bible with the bible, any more than a
great movie proves the Wizard of Oz is real.
Oh well. Pretty good for fiction, isn't it.

You totally missed the obvious signs and wonders proofs.
Those signs do not follow those without Faith.

Then you admit you have to believe what's not necessarily
true before you can "see" the signs. That's not very
convincing to a man of reason.

You aren't the only christian who is unable to make any
sense. But you know, you could at least try.

Robert

2021-10-23 14:38:45 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so. It is also verified,
historically and via real life. The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true

You mean the bible says God says it is true.

and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above,

You mean the bible says there were signs and miracles.

And greater ones than those when Christ returned to heaven.

But only because the bible says so.

No, Jesus said so.

Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

You mean the anonymous gospel writers, years after Jesus
died, wrote stories in which Jesus fulfilled some
messianic prophecies.

There are no anonymous writers, and they were all eyewitnesses of the
resurrected Jesus Christ.

The synoptic gospels were all anonymous and it's unlikely
any were eyewitnesses. John may have been written by
John the apostle, or it may not. No one knows, certainly
not you.

I know what you do not know.

He is called Immanuel.

No he's not. Do you ever pray to Immanuel?

He said specifically to pray to the Father, in his name. No one else.

Post by Robert
He never said that any man would he alive from that
day until he returned.

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there
be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with
power.

And that power is of the Holy Spirit and it fell on the day of Pentecost, and
thus the kingdom of God was made active.

"come with power" does not mean the church. It means the
2nd coming. Hasn't happened yet, if you've noticed.

See my comment above, what you have is a total misunderstanding.

Post by El Kabong
You can't prove the bible with the bible, any more than a
great movie proves the Wizard of Oz is real.
Oh well. Pretty good for fiction, isn't it.

You totally missed the obvious signs and wonders proofs.
Those signs do not follow those without Faith.

Then you admit you have to believe what's not necessarily
true before you can "see" the signs. That's not very
convincing to a man of reason.

Without Faith it is impossible to please God. When Jesus was asked for
healings and miracles he said, According to thy faith be it unto you. Read
the Gospels for the full story. Do not believe all that your religious
teachers gave you who were not of God.

Post by El Kabong
You aren't the only christian who is unable to make any
sense. But you know, you could at least try.

I knew before I ever met you that there were people like you, who are Hell
bound. That spiritual things would make no sense to them because they are not
of God.

To you who does not understand the Navajo language, none of it will make any
sense. And you can laugh at them and their lifestyle all you want, but you
would be the ignorant one since you had no understanding of their reasonings
or purpose in life.

As such you are likewise without understand of those who are not of this
world, though we dwell in it.

Robert

2021-10-23 21:44:34 UTC

...

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

So, in a nutshell, the bible is true because it says so
in the bible.
Why couldn't MX ever think of that?

No, It is because God says it is true

You mean the bible says God says it is true.

and the proofs are in the signs
following as I quoted above,

You mean the bible says there were signs and miracles.

And greater ones than those when Christ returned to heaven.

But only because the bible says so.

No, Jesus said so.

You mean, the bible says Jesus said so. So you're still
proving the bible by the bible. That's a logical
nonsequitur.

Only to the illogical.

Plus you can add to that the prophecies being
fulfilled as they were written about thousands of years before our time.

You mean the anonymous gospel writers, years after Jesus
died, wrote stories in which Jesus fulfilled some
messianic prophecies.

There are no anonymous writers, and they were all eyewitnesses of the
resurrected Jesus Christ.

The synoptic gospels were all anonymous and it's unlikely
any were eyewitnesses. John may have been written by
John the apostle, or it may not. No one knows, certainly
not you.

I know what you do not know.

And I know what you don't know.
You continue not trying to make sense.

He is called Immanuel.

No he's not. Do you ever pray to Immanuel?

He said specifically to pray to the Father, in his name. No one else.

But you never pray in Immanuel's name, because Jesus was
never called Immanuel. Failed prophecy.

Your searches for that would never work as you do not even know how to spell
it.

Post by Robert
He never said that any man would he alive from that
day until he returned.

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there
be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with
power.

And that power is of the Holy Spirit and it fell on the day of Pentecost, and
thus the kingdom of God was made active.

"come with power" does not mean the church. It means the
2nd coming. Hasn't happened yet, if you've noticed.

See my comment above, what you have is a total misunderstanding.

You are twisting a failed prophecy because you don't want
to believe it's failed.

No twist, you just think so because you lack understanding and are a God
Hater.

Enough going into circle speak with a troll. HAND

Post by El Kabong
You can't prove the bible with the bible, any more than a
great movie proves the Wizard of Oz is real.
Oh well. Pretty good for fiction, isn't it.

You totally missed the obvious signs and wonders proofs.
Those signs do not follow those without Faith.

Then you admit you have to believe what's not necessarily
true before you can "see" the signs. That's not very
convincing to a man of reason.

Without faith, it's impossible to believe any of the
bible. That's because it doesn't make sense. Unless you
put on the blinders of faith along with the sword of the
spirit.

Post by El Kabong
You aren't the only christian who is unable to make any
sense. But you know, you could at least try.

I knew before I ever met you that there were people like you, who are Hell
bound. That spiritual things would make no sense to them because they are not
of God.

Standard religious rhetoric when the theology doesn't
hold up.

Post by Robert
To you who does not understand the Navajo language, none of it will make any
sense. And you can laugh at them and their lifestyle all you want, but you
would be the ignorant one since you had no understanding of their reasonings
or purpose in life.

Terrible analogy. You can read a book about Navajo and
learn the language, and everything will make sense. OTOH
you can read the whole bible, even memorize it, and it
doesn't make any more sense than when you started.

Post by Robert
As such you are likewise without understand of those who are not of this
world, though we dwell in it.

Are you trying to actually persuade anyone? Given your
aa audience, it's not working. When you need to make
sense, you offer wishful thinking instead. At least you
don't take the "because i'm christ" angle of MX.
If you don't care if anyone believes you, what's your
purpose? Just to earn scorn?

Attila

2021-10-22 21:31:04 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Post by Robert
The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 01:37:09 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible, and by historians, and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right along
with the frauds.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the maimed, the
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of those that
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were being
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were restored and
did not believe it was an action of God.

TT Liams

2021-10-23 03:10:21 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

vanities; all is

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible, and by historians, and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube.

Right along

Post by Robert
with the frauds.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of those that
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were being
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

El Kabong

2021-10-23 11:50:39 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.

Got any photographic evidence?

TT Liams

2021-10-23 19:52:51 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.

https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

El Kabong

2021-10-23 21:25:27 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

OMG! Now there's some real photographic evidence!
That pastor really healed the guy's bitten-off leg!
It's a fucking miracle.

I'm almost persuaded to get on my knees and accept Jesus.

All you other christers, take note. Dr. Liams has shown
you how to present evidence that even atheists can't
refute!

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 23:41:08 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

OMG! Now there's some real photographic evidence!
That pastor really healed the guy's bitten-off leg!
It's a fucking miracle.
I'm almost persuaded to get on my knees and accept Jesus.
All you other christers, take note. Dr. Liams has shown
you how to present evidence that even atheists can't
refute!

Oh hooray, finally, you wake up!!!

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

El Kabong

2021-10-24 05:02:02 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

OMG! Now there's some real photographic evidence!
That pastor really healed the guy's bitten-off leg!
It's a fucking miracle.
I'm almost persuaded to get on my knees and accept Jesus.
All you other christers, take note. Dr. Liams has shown
you how to present evidence that even atheists can't
refute!

Oh hooray, finally, you wake up!!!

I'm still deciding whether to be a baptist or an RC.
Probably not a MXtian.

So why can't you ever post any compelling hard evidence?

Michael Christ

2021-10-24 07:51:02 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

OMG! Now there's some real photographic evidence!
That pastor really healed the guy's bitten-off leg!
It's a fucking miracle.
I'm almost persuaded to get on my knees and accept Jesus.
All you other christers, take note. Dr. Liams has shown
you how to present evidence that even atheists can't
refute!

Oh hooray, finally, you wake up!!!

I'm still deciding whether to be a baptist or an RC.
Probably not a MXtian.
So why can't you ever post any compelling hard evidence?

It would matter to you if I could walk on water. :-).

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

El Kabong

2021-10-25 02:02:39 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

OMG! Now there's some real photographic evidence!
That pastor really healed the guy's bitten-off leg!
It's a fucking miracle.
I'm almost persuaded to get on my knees and accept Jesus.
All you other christers, take note. Dr. Liams has shown
you how to present evidence that even atheists can't
refute!

Oh hooray, finally, you wake up!!!

I'm still deciding whether to be a baptist or an RC.
Probably not a MXtian.
So why can't you ever post any compelling hard evidence?

It would matter to you if I could walk on water. :-).

Sure. Walk to Melbourne and i'll admit you're Christ.

<snip>

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 23:09:11 UTC

Post by Robert
The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's &
there leg's grew back.

That would be just fucken amazing if it's true.
Got any photographic evidence?

Of course.
https://ibb.co/YfbTT9g

Hahahahaha...

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Bud Frawley

2021-10-23 19:54:07 UTC

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as

the saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the

Lord tells me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,

till thou
for dust thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected

to the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities; all is

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST, ALL IS DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who

is going to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to open your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did

with me all those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,

the Lord

working with them, and confirming the word with signs

following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible, and by historians, and currently going on in

tents,

Post by Robert
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube.

Right along

Post by Robert
with the frauds.

Post by Robert
The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It

holds

Post by Robert
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed

you from

Post by Robert
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

that

Post by Robert
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in

him.

Post by Robert
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that

changes

Post by Robert
not the reality of it.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the

maimed, the

Post by Robert
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of

those that

Post by Robert
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were

being

Post by Robert
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were

restored and

Post by Robert
did not believe it was an action of God.

Are pastor prayed for ppl that's leg's got bit off by alligator's & there leg's
grew back.

I know'ed that guy!

Attila

2021-10-23 05:36:13 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 07:55:03 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

You are not the brightest bulb in the tree with an ability to determine that.
Just like little kids covering their eyes so you cannot see them, is your
understandings.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Archeologists. Joesephus, Luke. And many more.

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

Because there are some who are Gods appointed people.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.

AYUP, there is no faith there. Also, no one keeps count.

Jesus healed all who came to him.

He fed millions in the desert as they escaped Egypt. He fed thousands who
came to see him in his days on earth, and today he will supply all your needs
according to His riches in Glory, if you gave your life to him.

Attila

2021-10-23 09:19:46 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

You are not the brightest bulb in the tree with an ability to determine that.

I never pretended to be, Captain Obvious.

Post by Robert
Just like little kids covering their eyes so you cannot see them, is your
understandings.

Do you think that somehow validates your source? It
doesn't.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Archeologists. Joesephus, Luke. And many more.

They were archeologists? Were their findings peer reviewed?
Is there any unrelated and totally separate validation for
anything they said?

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

Because there are some who are Gods appointed people.

Supporting evidence that any such people exist please.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.

AYUP, there is no faith there. Also, no one keeps count.

Not even to count to one?

Post by Robert
Jesus healed all who came to him.

So no amputee ever asked your Jesus to heal him?

Post by Robert
He fed millions in the desert as they escaped Egypt. He fed thousands who
came to see him in his days on earth, and today he will supply all your needs
according to His riches in Glory, if you gave your life to him.

Please provide independent supporting evidence for any of
that please. Do not use sources that have not been
validated.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila

2021-10-23 17:26:30 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

You are not the brightest bulb in the tree with an ability to determine that.

I never pretended to be, Captain Obvious.

Then why mock what you do not know?

I am simply asking obvious questions and pointing out
obvious flaws.

Post by Robert
Just like little kids covering their eyes so you cannot see them, is your
understandings.

Do you think that somehow validates your source? It
doesn't.

It is an understanding of what it is that you practice.

That means nothing no matter how good it sounds.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Archeologists. Joesephus, Luke. And many more.

They were archeologists? Were their findings peer reviewed?
Is there any unrelated and totally separate validation for
anything they said?

They have been around for over 100;s of years. More knowledge increasing
daily. That you are not aware of these things does not make them imaginary.

Not an answer - just more generalities.

Besides, :) No one died and left you as God to be reported to on these
things. IYKWIMAITYD

I am simply asking obvious questions raised by what is said.
And pointing out obvious flaws.

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

Because there are some who are Gods appointed people.

Supporting evidence that any such people exist please.

Mario Marillo

Who is that and where is your supporting evidence?

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.

AYUP, there is no faith there. Also, no one keeps count.

Not even to count to one?

Guess that shows your ignorance of what is in the Bible?

Why should I waste time with an unsupported document? I
have seen nothing to validate it.

Post by Robert
Jesus healed all who came to him.

So no amputee ever asked your Jesus to heal him?

No answer?

Please provide independent supporting evidence for any of
that please. Do not use sources that have not been
validated.

Look, You are not a ruler, nor determiner of what is right or wrong.

Agreed. I am simply asking obvious questions based upon the
material presented.

Life was not created to please you, nor to infuse you with the wisdom of
Solomon, which was a gift of God.

Another assertion with no supporting evidence.

God does not exist tp please you, but you exist to please him.
If you really wanted proof then you would seek it. But you would far rather
not ne bothered with anything outside of yourself that might disturb your
mindset and show you why you have certain insecurities.

More assertions without even an attempt to provide
supporting evidence.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Robert

2021-10-23 18:24:49 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions; they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

You are not the brightest bulb in the tree with an ability to determine that.

I never pretended to be, Captain Obvious.

Then why mock what you do not know?

I am simply asking obvious questions and pointing out
obvious flaws.

Post by Robert
Just like little kids covering their eyes so you cannot see them, is your
understandings.

Do you think that somehow validates your source? It
doesn't.

It is an understanding of what it is that you practice.

That means nothing no matter how good it sounds.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Archeologists. Joesephus, Luke. And many more.

They were archeologists? Were their findings peer reviewed?
Is there any unrelated and totally separate validation for
anything they said?

They have been around for over 100;s of years. More knowledge increasing
daily. That you are not aware of these things does not make them imaginary.

Not an answer - just more generalities.

Besides, :) No one died and left you as God to be reported to on these
things. IYKWIMAITYD

I am simply asking obvious questions raised by what is said.
And pointing out obvious flaws.

You pointed out no flaws, just complaints about generalities.

What I have been telling you about without quoting all the prophecies in the
OT and the completion of them in the NT, less the prophecies that are yet to
be fulfilled, has all been documented by many, many, people. A lot of them
who spent their life on these topics, and even some sinner doubters who were
researchers that proved to themselves and others the validity of the claims
of Prophecy.

There is no need for me to do more than I have already done in these groups
to point out these truths, and now I will tell you that you aren't too smart
when you are so lazy that you won't go out there to either verify or discount
your own claims then post the results here as your proofs one way or the
other. But you are just too lazy and irresponsible to do this for yourself
and you prefer being a troll for years with your redundant comments. Never
accepting truth from anyone. And for what purpose?

You are not doing yourself any favors nor anyone else.

And in the end you will end up bowing to the almighty God on your way to the
lake of fire and brimstone, meant for the fallen angels, if you do not
believe and repent. And that's a future fact, not any more than that.

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right
along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

Because there are some who are Gods appointed people.

Supporting evidence that any such people exist please.

Mario Marillo

Who is that and where is your supporting evidence?

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the maimed,
the
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of those
that
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were being
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were restored
and
did not believe it was an action of God.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.

AYUP, there is no faith there. Also, no one keeps count.

Not even to count to one?

Guess that shows your ignorance of what is in the Bible?

Why should I waste time with an unsupported document? I
have seen nothing to validate it.

Post by Robert
Jesus healed all who came to him.

So no amputee ever asked your Jesus to heal him?

No answer?

Please provide independent supporting evidence for any of
that please. Do not use sources that have not been
validated.

Look, You are not a ruler, nor determiner of what is right or wrong.

Agreed. I am simply asking obvious questions based upon the
material presented.

Life was not created to please you, nor to infuse you with the wisdom of
Solomon, which was a gift of God.

Another assertion with no supporting evidence.

More assertions without even an attempt to provide
supporting evidence.

Attila

2021-10-23 22:52:26 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the
saying
goes.
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells
me
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till
thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the
same
vanity.
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all
is
vanity.
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS
DUST."
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going
to
bring
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised religions;
they
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open
your
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me
all
those
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

I don't think it so, I know it is so.

What you "know" doesn't validate anything.

Not to you, as the knowledge was meant for me.

Which means it is useless as far as anyone else is
concerned. Why do you even mention it?

You are not the brightest bulb in the tree with an ability to determine
that.

I never pretended to be, Captain Obvious.

Then why mock what you do not know?

I am simply asking obvious questions and pointing out
obvious flaws.

Post by Robert
Just like little kids covering their eyes so you cannot see them, is
your
understandings.

Do you think that somehow validates your source? It
doesn't.

It is an understanding of what it is that you practice.

That means nothing no matter how good it sounds.

Post by Robert
It is also verified,
historically and via real life.

Oh? Where?

Recorded in the Bible,

An unverified document.

Post by Robert
and by historians,

What historians? Where?

Archeologists. Joesephus, Luke. And many more.

They were archeologists? Were their findings peer reviewed?
Is there any unrelated and totally separate validation for
anything they said?

They have been around for over 100;s of years. More knowledge increasing
daily. That you are not aware of these things does not make them imaginary.

Not an answer - just more generalities.

Besides, :) No one died and left you as God to be reported to on these
things. IYKWIMAITYD

I am simply asking obvious questions raised by what is said.
And pointing out obvious flaws.

You pointed out no flaws, just complaints about generalities.

Those are flaws. Assertions require supporting evidence.

Post by Robert
What I have been telling you about without quoting all the prophecies in the
OT and the completion of them in the NT, less the prophecies that are yet to
be fulfilled, has all been documented by many, many, people. A lot of them
who spent their life on these topics, and even some sinner doubters who were
researchers that proved to themselves and others the validity of the claims
of Prophecy.

Still nothing that resembles supporting evidence.

Post by Robert
There is no need for me to do more than I have already done in these groups
to point out these truths, and now I will tell you that you aren't too smart
when you are so lazy that you won't go out there to either verify or discount
your own claims then post the results here as your proofs one way or the
other. But you are just too lazy and irresponsible to do this for yourself
and you prefer being a troll for years with your redundant comments. Never
accepting truth from anyone. And for what purpose?

I am not making the assertions. Why should I spend time
trying to validate them?

To prove your point to yourself and others.

What point? I have asserted nothing. I have only pointed
out how you never provide supporting evidence for your
assertions in case no one had noticed this.

You claim it is of no interest to you, yet you waste your time arguing over
it.

Pointing out failures is not arguing.

Post by Robert
You are not doing yourself any favors nor anyone else.

Favors are not involved.

Post by Robert
And in the end you will end up bowing to the almighty God on your way to the
lake of fire and brimstone, meant for the fallen angels, if you do not
believe and repent. And that's a future fact, not any more than that.

More unsupported mythology that means nothing to me.

Post by Robert
and currently going on in tents,
convention centers, and often recorded and posted on You Tube. Right
along
with the frauds.

Why can't they all be frauds?

Because there are some who are Gods appointed people.

Supporting evidence that any such people exist please.

Mario Marillo

Who is that and where is your supporting evidence?

Post by Robert
The Jews in the old days were of a
mindset such as you have, and this was their answer then. It holds
true today as well.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you
from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that
ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
You can pretend that these things are not verified, but that changes
not the reality of it.

If they are in fact validated where is that validation?
Otherwise it remains an unvalidated source and is thus
useless.

The validation is in the bodies of the sick, the diseases, the maimed,
the
blind, the deaf, etc. Which is also verified by the testimonies of
those
that
received the physical salvation and by their doctors if they were
being
treated. Even if the doctors can only tell you that they were restored
and
did not believe it was an action of God.

Why does that same god seem to hate amputees? How many arms
or legs were re-grown? One would almost think there is
nothing there.

AYUP, there is no faith there. Also, no one keeps count.

Not even to count to one?

Guess that shows your ignorance of what is in the Bible?

Why should I waste time with an unsupported document? I
have seen nothing to validate it.

Post by Robert
Jesus healed all who came to him.

So no amputee ever asked your Jesus to heal him?

No answer?

Post by Robert
He fed millions in the desert as they escaped Egypt. He fed thousands
who
came to see him in his days on earth, and today he will supply all your
needs
according to His riches in Glory, if you gave your life to him.

Please provide independent supporting evidence for any of
that please. Do not use sources that have not been
validated.

Look, You are not a ruler, nor determiner of what is right or wrong.

Agreed. I am simply asking obvious questions based upon the
material presented.

Life was not created to please you, nor to infuse you with the wisdom of
Solomon, which was a gift of God.

Another assertion with no supporting evidence.

More assertions without even an attempt to provide
supporting evidence.

Ted

2021-10-22 21:21:38 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to quote from the last twelve verses
of Mark 16.

Robert

2021-10-23 01:45:17 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till

thou

Post by Michael Christ
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust

thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same

vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all

is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS

DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going

to bring

your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all

those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to quote from the last twelve verses
of Mark 16.

Not when one sees the reality of it. In that case the dumb are those that
miss out. Besides everything that was written there is also written elsewhere
in the NT.

Plus it stipulates those that are damned.

Ted

2021-10-23 17:09:18 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord tells

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till

thou

Post by Michael Christ
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust

thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to the same

vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all

is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST, ALL IS

DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going

to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to open

your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with me all

those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to quote from the last twelve verses
of Mark 16.

Not when one sees the reality of it. In that case the dumb are

those that

Post by Robert
miss out. Besides everything that was written there is also written elsewhere
in the NT.
Plus it stipulates those that are damned.

It was inserted centuries after Mark wrote his gospel. Why doesn't
that matter to you?

Ted

2021-10-24 01:30:23 UTC

Post by Robert
(in

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the

same, as the

Post by Michael Christ
saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff

the Lord

Post by Michael Christ
tells

Post by Michael Christ
me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till

thou

Post by Michael Christ
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou

taken: for

Post by Michael Christ
dust

Post by Michael Christ
thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also

subjected to

Post by Michael Christ
the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of

vanities;

Post by Michael Christ
all

Post by Michael Christ
is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST,

DUST,

Post by Michael Christ
ALL IS

Post by Michael Christ
DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ,

who is

Post by Michael Christ
going

Post by Michael Christ
to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're

interested?

Post by Michael Christ
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You

need to

Post by Michael Christ
open

Post by Michael Christ
your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally,

fervently,

Post by Michael Christ
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He

did with

Post by Michael Christ
me all

Post by Michael Christ
those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

You are talking about stuff your bible contains.

Where is

Post by Attila
the supporting evidence that your bible has any actual
connection whatsoever to any god?
Because it says so? Could it be lying?
Where is the evidence to support the existence of any god?

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every

where, the

Post by Michael Christ
Lord

working with them, and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to quote from the last

twelve

Post by Michael Christ
verses

Post by Michael Christ
of Mark 16.

Not when one sees the reality of it. In that case the dumb are

those that

Post by Robert
miss out. Besides everything that was written there is also

written

Post by Michael Christ
elsewhere

Post by Robert
in the NT.
Plus it stipulates those that are damned.

It was inserted centuries after Mark wrote his gospel. Why doesn't
that matter to you?

It wasn't. Some modern day translators did not quote it, who

were liberal

theologians, yet they left a space for it to be reinserted, and

everything

it
said was also spoken of elsewhere in the NT.
There is also a book on the Topic by a well known scholar in

England proving

that it belongs there based on past manuscripts of the early

days from

around
the known world at the time.
Seems to me that you are basing your erroneous facts on

hearsay, and you

would be far better off to verify what you claim before you

post it.

- The verses are absent from the two oldest and best manuscripts

Mark.
- The writing style varies from what is found elsewhere in Mark.
- There are a large number of words and phrases in the ending that
aren't found elsewhere in Mark.
- There's no transition between verses 8 and 9. It just starts a

whole

new account.
But you want to believe it anyway because ... why? Do you enjoy
handling rattlesnakes and drinking poison?

Who is Ehrman? More than one person has claimed that. The Professor

I spoke

of proved otherwise.
In any even, it will never happen in your life, since one has to

believe

first. "These signs will follow after those that believe" Words of

Jesus.

That section starts off with "Afterward he appears unto the eleven"

hence the

shift that makes no sense to you V 14. Verses 8, 9 are not related

to that

last portion and have no bearing on it. V 12, 13 are also an Island

unto

itself. So what?

Verse 8 is where the gospel ends. The later addition begins at verse
9.

Ted

2021-10-24 04:12:21 UTC

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:42:37 -0400,

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the

saying goes.

Post by Michael Christ
Dust.
God's truth will not be denied! From 'Bible stuff the Lord

tells

Post by Michael Christ
me

Post by Michael Christ
about...4...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till

thou

Post by Michael Christ
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for

dust

Post by Michael Christ
thou

Post by Michael Christ
art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
But not just man, because creation was also subjected to

the same

Post by Michael Christ
vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Death and decay.
Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity.
So...
Ecclesiastics 1:2
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;

all

Post by Michael Christ
is vanity.

Post by Michael Christ
Or...there is no hope for this fallen world, "DUST, DUST,

ALL IS

Post by Michael Christ
DUST."

Post by Michael Christ
All for nothing.
There is a Saviour, though, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is

going

Post by Michael Christ
to bring

Post by Michael Christ
in a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, if you're interested?
Don't bother looking for Him in all the organised

religions; they

Post by Michael Christ
wouldn't know their right foot from their left. You need to

open

Post by Michael Christ
your

Post by Michael Christ
eyes and ears, and call out to Him personally, fervently,
wholeheartedly, and He will respond, just like He did with

me all

Post by Michael Christ
those

Post by Michael Christ
years ago.
Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the

Lord

working with them, and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to quote from the last twelve

verses

Post by Michael Christ
of Mark 16.

Not when one sees the reality of it. In that case the dumb are

those that

Post by Robert
miss out. Besides everything that was written there is also

written

Post by Michael Christ
elsewhere

Post by Robert
in the NT.
Plus it stipulates those that are damned.

It was inserted centuries after Mark wrote his gospel. Why

doesn't

Post by Michael Christ
that matter to you?

It wasn't. Some modern day translators did not quote it, who

were liberal

theologians, yet they left a space for it to be reinserted, and

everything it

said was also spoken of elsewhere in the NT.
There is also a book on the Topic by a well known scholar in

England proving

that it belongs there based on past manuscripts of the early

days from around

the known world at the time.
Seems to me that you are basing your erroneous facts on hearsay,

and you

would be far better off to verify what you claim before you post

it.

- The verses are absent from the two oldest and best manuscripts

whole

new account.
But you want to believe it anyway because ... why? Do you enjoy
handling rattlesnakes and drinking poison?

I attended my high school reunion last weekend. I was standing

talking with

some people, and one of them saw a woman across the room and

suggested we go

talk with her. I looked over to see who it was, and said, "I'd

sooner ask a

rattlesnake for oral sex than go talk with
Bonnie McIntosh."

LMAO!!! That's a keeper, thanks. :-)

Michael Christ

2021-10-22 22:39:12 UTC

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.

You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-23 00:18:49 UTC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 04:44:08 UTC

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.

We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-23 05:37:30 UTC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 06:03:33 UTC

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in the [any] truth.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-23 09:23:26 UTC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Of course, the word 'belief' has many varied definitions. It
covers a lot more territory than anything involving any god
or any supernatural component. Are you talking about a
subject that is totally unrelated or associated in any way
with any religion, god, or supernatural component?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 22:09:48 UTC

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Do you believe food is important?

Post by Attila
Of course, the word 'belief' has many varied definitions. It
covers a lot more territory than anything involving any god
or any supernatural component. Are you talking about a
subject that is totally unrelated or associated in any way
with any religion, god, or supernatural component?

Put your 'prejudice' back in your pants.

All I ever do is talk about truth as I believe it, and so do you.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-23 22:55:08 UTC

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:09:48 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Do you believe food is important?

It is fuel for the body just as gas is fuel for an
automobile.

Why did you answer my question with a totally unrelated
question?

Put your 'prejudice' back in your pants.
All I ever do is talk about truth as I believe it, and so do you.

Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-23 23:59:18 UTC

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:09:48 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Do you believe food is important?

It is fuel for the body just as gas is fuel for an
automobile.
Why did you answer my question with a totally unrelated
question?

So you believe gas, fuel used for an automobile, is not good for human
food??

Put your 'prejudice' back in your pants.
All I ever do is talk about truth as I believe it, and so do you.

Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-24 07:40:09 UTC

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:59:18 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:09:48 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Do you believe food is important?

It is fuel for the body just as gas is fuel for an
automobile.
Why did you answer my question with a totally unrelated
question?

So you believe gas, fuel used for an automobile, is not good for human
food??

Belief is irrelevant. The human body cannot assimilate gas
as it is delivered for use in an automobile. That is a
medical fact.

Put your 'prejudice' back in your pants.
All I ever do is talk about truth as I believe it, and so do you.

Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-24 07:52:52 UTC

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:59:18 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:09:48 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:03:33 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:08 +1100, Michael Christ

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:39:12 +1100, Michael Christ

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Post by Attila
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:16:34 +1100, Michael Christ

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Why do you think a quote from an unverified source is
supporting evidence of anything?

It always depends on what any of us choose to believe about everything.
You ignorant moron zombie hot air balloon.
Michael Christ

Anyone can choose to believe anything. That has nothing to
do with reality.

True.
We are not reality, neither do we establish it.

Basically it is all that matters. All else is illusion.

You mean, reality?
True again, but you have to believe something. If you don't, you'll die.

Oh? Why do you think that?

Do you believe food is important?

It is fuel for the body just as gas is fuel for an
automobile.
Why did you answer my question with a totally unrelated
question?

So you believe gas, fuel used for an automobile, is not good for human
food??

Belief is irrelevant. The human body cannot assimilate gas
as it is delivered for use in an automobile. That is a
medical fact.

Put your 'prejudice' back in your pants.
All I ever do is talk about truth as I believe it, and so do you.

Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.

Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.

Sorry about that.

Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-24 12:18:58 UTC

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant. I don't know why you are
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Do you want proof? Believe - truly and deeply believe you
can flap your arms and fly. Then jump off a building
depending only on your arm flapping.

Or that you can walk on water. Then walk from New York to
London.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

There are four despicable occupations:
Politicians - By far worse than all the others.
Pimps
Priests
Reporters

But there is nothing more loathsome than a liberal!

National Socialist American Worker's Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party
and now headed by Biden the Bastard and his
Two Bitches and supported by the Sluts and Pimps
including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ

2021-10-24 21:11:49 UTC

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).

Well, I don't. Sorry.

I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Without belief first, you would no be able to get on a plane, fly to the
moon, be Elon Musk, be the first to get to the South Pole, be
Christopher Columbus, drive a car, eat something new, and on and on and on.

Now what are you going to do, tell me MORE about what you believe. :-).

You are a fuckin' stupid ignorant stubborn silly old dickhead living in
a dreamworld and wanking your head off!

Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Do you want proof? Believe - truly and deeply believe you
can flap your arms and fly. Then jump off a building
depending only on your arm flapping.
Or that you can walk on water. Then walk from New York to
London.

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in their Creator.
So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-24 22:26:30 UTC

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Post by Michael Christ
Without belief first, you would no be able to get on a plane, fly to the
moon, be Elon Musk, be the first to get to the South Pole, be
Christopher Columbus, drive a car, eat something new, and on and on and on.
Now what are you going to do, tell me MORE about what you believe. :-).
You are a fuckin' stupid ignorant stubborn silly old dickhead living in
a dreamworld and wanking your head off!

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-24 23:25:56 UTC

You can shallow wank all day long, Attila, believe whatever you want,
because that is a man's foundation.

But you can't 'reality' whatever you wank...ummm...want, Buddy boy.

You are a deceitful stubborn old fool, that is what I see as reality
concerning you

And reality is coming for you, con man.

Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-25 23:12:20 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

Why top posting is bad:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You can shallow wank all day long, Attila, believe whatever you want,
because that is a man's foundation.
But you can't 'reality' whatever you wank...ummm...want, Buddy boy.
You are a deceitful stubborn old fool, that is what I see as reality
concerning you
And reality is coming for you, con man.

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-25 23:21:09 UTC

You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

Suck on that reality. :-).

Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-26 07:05:24 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.

Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-26 08:30:13 UTC

Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

Keep your beliefs to yourself.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-26 08:47:31 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

Why top posting is bad:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-26 09:27:31 UTC

Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Thank you.

Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-26 11:16:43 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.

It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.

Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-26 20:35:52 UTC

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Now go away, ignoramus.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Michael Christ

2021-10-26 21:31:45 UTC

Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-27 00:04:13 UTC

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:31:45 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

A bit slow aren't you? I have told you no about this many
times.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-27 08:27:30 UTC

Attila the Dilla. Believe whatever you want, whatever you-eth want-eth
but it certainly ain't my reality, Mr Non-Evidence. :-).

Drink your own urine, don't pass me the bottle, Buddy boy.

Thank you for that.

Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:31:45 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

A bit slow aren't you? I have told you no about this many
times.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

Attila

2021-10-27 12:04:52 UTC

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:27:30 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Attila the Dilla. Believe whatever you want, whatever you-eth want-eth
but it certainly ain't my reality, Mr Non-Evidence. :-).

Why do you keep repeating what I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Drink your own urine, don't pass me the bottle, Buddy boy.
Thank you for that.
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:31:45 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

A bit slow aren't you? I have told you no about this many
times.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2021-10-28 22:54:04 UTC

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:27:30 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Attila the Dilla. Believe whatever you want, whatever you-eth want-eth
but it certainly ain't my reality, Mr Non-Evidence. :-).

Why do you keep repeating what I say?

You don't determine reality. Sorry about that.

You are merely a floater in a sea of your own urine. :-).

Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Drink your own urine, don't pass me the bottle, Buddy boy.
Thank you for that.
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:31:45 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

A bit slow aren't you? I have told you no about this many
times.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
Actual truth does not need any belief. It is supported by
evidence.

I am so glad you believe that.

So you say.

Thank you for expressing what you believe.
Much appreciated, but I don't believe what you believe.
Sorry about that.

As I said belief is irrelevant.

Should I believe you?? :-).
Well, I don't. Sorry.

OK. It doesn't bother me. As I said anyone is free to
believe anything they like.

Post by Michael Christ
I don't know why you are

Post by Attila
fixated on the subject - when belief runs up against reality
it's reality that wins every time.

Because belief is the foundation of every man's life, not proof or
evidence, but you are such a deceitful shallow dead head old fool and
coward you can't admit it.

Your life perhaps but I prefer reality to delusion.

Thus proving you are free to believe anything you like.
Beliefs have nothing to do with reality so knock yourself
out.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Attila

2021-10-29 00:47:06 UTC

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:54:04 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:27:30 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Attila the Dilla. Believe whatever you want, whatever you-eth want-eth
but it certainly ain't my reality, Mr Non-Evidence. :-).

Why do you keep repeating what I say?

You don't determine reality. Sorry about that.

I have never said I did. If you disagree provide a link.

Post by Michael Christ
You are merely a floater in a sea of your own urine. :-).

I think you are repeating yourself.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Drink your own urine, don't pass me the bottle, Buddy boy.
Thank you for that.
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:31:45 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Take your beliefs, and shove it, you deceitful shallow con job.

A bit slow aren't you? I have told you no about this many
times.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 07:35:52 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:27:31 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Who cares about Attila's beliefs? There is no evidence or proof they
are any good, so they are shit.

No one cares about the beliefs of anyone else. Why should
they? Anyone is free to believe anything they like no
matter how outrageous or impossible.

Thank you for your permission.

Nothing in my comment said anything about permission. Why
do you lie so much?

Post by Michael Christ
And thank you for your belief, but that does not make it reality.

Why do you insist on repeating everything I say?

Post by Michael Christ
Now go away, ignoramus.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
So go away, foul old smelly deceitful lying gargoyle of bullshit and
stupid-personness.

Nope. My "beliefs" (as you call them) have nothing to do
with why I am here.
It doesn't take beliefs to identify errors, omissions,
evasions, and outright lies when they are so obvious. Not
to mention others posting their unsupported beliefs as if
they are established fact.
Of course personal attacks fit into a category all their
own. They make one wonder what button was pushed in order
to unleash such a meaningless flood.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

For what?

Post by Michael Christ
Micheal Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:30:13 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Shut up, you ignorant deceitful old idiot.

No.

Post by Michael Christ
Keep your beliefs to yourself.

You don't.

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:21:09 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
You were told, Dummy, believe...what...you...like.

That is what I have been saying - everyone is free to
believe whatever he likes. But at the same time don't
expect anyone else to believe the same thing.
Delusions are personal.

Post by Michael Christ
Suck on that reality. :-).
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:32:27 +1100, Michael Christ

**Believe** whatever you like, you stubborn deceitful old man.

Belief is irrelevant.

You can't even accept that baby reality, what hope have you got??!!

What baby?

Now go away, time waster.

Nope.

Thank you.
Michael Christ

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25:56 +1100, Michael Christ

Thank you for once again making my point.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_list_etiquette#:~:text=Top%20posting%20is%20bad%20because,about%20without%20reading%20it%20again.)

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 08:11:49 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +1100, Michael Christ