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What 'Christians' followers of Jesus the Christ that are to be Shunned?
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Robert
2024-12-10 08:02:49 UTC
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Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.

Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?

Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.

1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)

9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--

10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters,
since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand human society
altogether!

11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of
[Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is
an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must not so
much as eat with such a person.

12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is
it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?

13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked
one from among you [expel him from your church].

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
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Christ Rose
2024-12-10 14:37:44 UTC
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,

"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be
Shunned?"[sic]

Here's what I think he meant:

"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?

The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.

That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.

“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of
brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler,
drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).

“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create
obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught;
avoid them”
(Romans 16:17, ESV).

“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into
your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).

“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have
nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).

“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2
Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
of the world:

Paul’s instructions on separation balance two key principles:
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
opposing ideas can be resolved:

1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People

In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
associate with the immoral does not apply to unbelievers in general:

“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).

- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it impossible to
fulfill the Great Commission.

2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness

In 2 Corinthians 6:14, 17, Paul says:

“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).

- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.

3. Engaging Without Compromising

Paul exemplifies the balance between these principles in 1 Corinthians 9:22:

“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).

- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.

4. Key Distinction

- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.

Conclusion

Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
levels of separation. Believers are to:

1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).

2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).

3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).

4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).

This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
Robert:

"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"

This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
heard and rejected the gospel, we are told:

“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls
before pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).

“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).

“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11,
ESV).

“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from
your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).

“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off
against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come near”
(Luke 10:11,
ESV).

“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium”
(Acts 13:51, ESV).

“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to
them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent. From now
on I will go to
the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters,
since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand [sic] human society
altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of
[Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is
an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must not so
much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is
it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked
one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Rod E.
2024-12-11 22:52:40 UTC
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Post by Christ Rose
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
     "What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be
       Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
     “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of
      brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler,
      drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
     “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create
      obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught;
avoid them”
      (Romans 16:17, ESV).
      “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into
      your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
     “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have
      nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
     “Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2
      Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it impossible to
fulfill the Great Commission.
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
     "All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning
     10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being
     read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
     “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls
before pigs, lest they
      trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
     “And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
      your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
     “And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
      shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11,
      ESV).
     “And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from
      your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
     “Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off
against you.
      Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11,
      ESV).
     “But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium”
     (Acts 13:51, ESV).
     “And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to
      them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent. From now
on I will go to
      the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters,
since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand [sic] human society
altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of
[Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is
an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must not so
much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is
it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked
one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
Robert
2024-12-12 02:03:15 UTC
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Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here. This is reply to AI Rosie.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest, the
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one. Jesus was well known for hanging
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin. I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists. A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignation as a soldier of God, for that
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth

I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.

This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it impossible to
fulfill the Great Commission.
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.

If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
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Post by Rod E.
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.

1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.

2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.

Here's what I said, as anyone can verify, by scrolling down below:

Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
levels of separation. Believers are to:

1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).

2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).

3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).

4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.

You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,

Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.

Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.


the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.



Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
Note your own disclaimer:

Robert:
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10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.

Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it impossible to
fulfill the Great Commission.
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Rod E.
2024-12-12 18:23:21 UTC
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
 Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
=============================
All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
=============================
You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to
fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
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Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is  that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers
befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
 From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of
immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
Robert
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or
greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a
one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,

Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.

I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
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Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
Paul exemplifies the balance between these principles in 1 Corinthians
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“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
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And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
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4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the
high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers
befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a
‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even
hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before
pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off
against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the
worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of
immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
We are supposed to be serving the Lord, not the theology of men.
Thank you Rod.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
In the Name of Jesus
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,
Look at the childish games this self-kill-filing twit is playing. :-).







In the Name of Jesus
Post by Robert
Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.
I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
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‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
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I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
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Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
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2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
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“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
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And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
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Post by Rod E.
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4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before
pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the
worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
We are supposed to be serving the Lord, not the theology of men.
Thank you Rod.
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

"The veil of the temple was not rent in twain so that a bible could pass
as God."
Rod E.
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,
Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
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Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.
I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
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Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
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Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
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Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
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I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
You didn't drag me into anything Robert, I stepped in of my own
accord to help each of you and I do not regret it. In the meantime
I hope that both of you will take time to find some common ground
as far as understanding and theology go.
Rod E.
2024-12-17 18:03:41 UTC
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,
Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.
I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
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Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
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And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before
pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the
worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
We are supposed to be serving the Lord, not the theology of men.
Thank you Rod.
I've written and ask that you pray for myself and for my wife
as I am going into end stage renal failure. I want God to
care for my wife and keep her from harm after I am gone. I won't
be around to reply. Goodbye.

Thank you! God bless you all.

Rod
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or
greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a
one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10, ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,
Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.
I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
Post by Robert
‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
=============================
You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it, but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.” actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's
relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you” (2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
Paul exemplifies the balance between these principles in 1 Corinthians
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising his
faith or moral integrity.
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And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
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Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the
high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a
‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel, and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before
pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5, ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
 From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the
worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
We are supposed to be serving the Lord, not the theology of men.
Thank you Rod.
   I've written and ask that you pray for myself and for my wife
   as I am going into end stage renal failure. I want God to
   care for my wife and keep her from harm after I am gone. I won't
   be around to reply. Goodbye.
    Thank you! God bless you all.
    Rod
Sorry to hear that Rod. We will be praying for you and your family.
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Let's begin by trying to make sense of the subject. Robert has,
"What [sic] 'Christians' [sic] followers of Jesus the Christ that
[sic]are to be Shunned?"[sic]
"Which 'Christian' followers of Jesus the Christ should be shunned"?
The answer, based on the text, is those who are a "so called" brother,
but who are immoral, covetous, idolators, etc.
That's not the only standard of "secondary separation", however.
“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or
greed, or is an
idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a
one” (1
Corinthians 5:11, ESV).
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause
divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you
have been taught;
avoid them” (Romans 16:17, ESV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not
receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10,
ESV).
“As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him” (Titus 3:10, ESV).
“Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid
such people” (2 Timothy 3:5, ESV).
Paul was speaking. here, directly to the ekklesia, and only to them see V10
which very clearly makes a distinction that the gentiles were not even in
mind here.
See what I mean Rod? Here's your boy Robert.
To AI Rosie,
Rod is his own man, and says what he feels and believes and I respect him for
that.
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Post by Christ Rose
1) --Can't let Rod commend me for promoting the truth, without trying to
poison people's minds against me and the truth. Take note Rod. This is
what I've been dealing with in here every day for years, as has most
everyone else Robert interacts with.
I said nothing nor did I infer that he was improper in any way for commending
you. What scripture you posted was true, and he agreed with you and gave you
credit for it.
I said the scripture was also true, just that it was totally out of context
with the scripture thread I posted on originally. It is evident to me that
you still do not understand.
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Post by Christ Rose
2) Where did I say Paul was talking to unbelievers or someone other than
the church? Nowhere. You introduce a LIE and FALSE NARRATIVE of your own
fabrication, then argue against it. You're so blinded by your own envy
that you can't help but contradict anyone who is recognized for the truth.
Part, a solid part of the scripture in 1 Corinthans V10 spoke to railers, and
revilers. Which I also clarified to you directly in my last reply to you in
this thread, albeit via a reply to Rod’s post. That you in essence hijacked
the thread, changed the goal posts, thus turning it into a contention, is on
you.
I will refrain from commenting on any other thing you posted here, If you
could not hear with understanding the previous time,...
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians 5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Post by Robert
This is reply to AI Rosie.
Idem.
You see what I mean? He can't let someone get away with promoting the
truth in here, without trying to poison people's minds against it, on
the basis of his own FALSE NARRATIVE and FABRICATED LIES.
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Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-
believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
According to the text in question, it's because otherwise you would
have
to go out of the world. However, this is not to be confused with the
idea that we should not separate ourselves from the deeds and lifestyle
AI Rosie,
No one I know of that is a Born Again believer, who actually is a
follower of
Jesus the Anointed One, would even consider doing what you suggest,
Envy Boy Robert,
Clarify what you're talking about. No one would say what? What am I
suggesting here? What I stated is what the Bible stated. It's truth and
fact, yet here you are again, trying to poison people's minds against
it. And this isn't a one-off. You do this constantly, day after day,
year after year, with almost everyone in here. You are WARPED.
Any time you think someone else is in danger of being recognized for the
truth, you FABRICATE a FALSE NARRATIVE AND LIE, try to IMPUTE it to
them, then try to poison people's minds against them on the basis of
your OWN FABRICATE LIES AND FALSE NARRATIVES.
the
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‘chameleon’ christian is a carnal one.
Idem. Here's your boy Rod. You saw how he responded to the Bible truth
which you commended. This is almost all he does in here.
Jesus was well known for hanging
Post by Robert
out with those who hung out at a pub of their day. Yet without sin.
He attended a wedding feast where they served wine. He attended meals He
was invited to, that may have included the consumption of wine. Where
does it say he hung out at a the equivalent of a pub, where people only
went to get drunk? Nowhere.
Post by Robert
I have
been ostracized by those that called themselves ‘Christian’ for
conversing with known atheists.
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You correctly based this on passages mentioned, which show that after
someone rejects the gospel, one should shake the dust off and move on.
But now that I've observed that truth, you have to oppose it, to poison
people's minds against it. This shows you're more worried about others
not being recognized for promoting the truth than you are for the
promotion of the truth. You are WARPED and SINNING.
Done with this. You are promoting lies and fabrications of your own
invention, just to poison people's minds against those who promote the
truth. You are evidently controlled by envy, which James 3:14-15 says
comes from demonic wisdom (see https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
Post by Robert
A similar situation, no doubt. And I did not
call them out with self righteous indignati
on as a soldier of God, for that
Post by Robert
would be wrong. If someone wants to know and asks, I answer, I stop at the
point when they try and distort what was said in the scripture so as
to argue
their point, when they start on the tangent to misconstrue scripture
so as to
add confusion to any that read the threads. Yeah some whine about it,
but the
Lord tells me when to stop, even though I sometimes push it further just in
case a few additional words might help. But I have learned it is best to
stop, when he says so. And for those reasons the scriptures that you posted
having to do with sinners rejecting the things of the Lord were
written. One
can be no wiser than Jesus while on this earth
I am a bit disappointed that you did not grasp these scriptures, and the
context, especially the portions that describe the “railing etc.”
actions
of those who operated out of their carnal selves, of such is not of the
spirit of God.
It takes time. The Holy Spirit will reveal the meanings in Gods time
just as he always has. We are not to lean on our own understanding,
but upon God's.
This is true, and Rod I apologize for dragging you into all this.
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Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
This also speaks to those religious fractions who fight with others and
condemn them, since they do not follow Love, Peace, Humility, etc. Even the
heathen are quick to finger point and say, see! LOL, they cannot even get
along. Which disturbs not the self-righteous who feel so justified in their
actions that they ignore the obvious fact that such actions are displeasing
to the Heavenly Father and brings shame upon the name of Jesus.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
maintaining personal holiness while engaging with the world to fulfill
the mission of the gospel. These instructions, though they may appear
contradictory, address different aspects of a believer's relationship
with the world and with professing believers. Here’s how these
seemingly
1. Separation from the World’s Practices, Not Its People
In 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Paul clarifies that his command not to
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“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral
people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the
greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out
of the world” (1 Corinthians 5:9-10, ESV).
- Explanation: Christians live in the world and are called to interact
with unbelievers for the sake of spreading the gospel (Matthew
28:19-20). Avoiding all contact with sinners would make it
impossible to fulfill the Great Commission.
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The verses above explain the misgivings that others have about
Paul.
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2. Unequal Yoking and Personal Holiness
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has
righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with
darkness?… Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from
them,
says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you”
(2
Corinthians 6:14, 17, ESV).
- Explanation: This passage warns against entering into close
partnerships (e.g., marriage, business alliances, or other binding
associations) that compromise one’s walk with Christ. Believers
should
not engage in relationships where they are bound to conform to the
sinful practices of unbelievers.
3. Engaging Without Compromising
Paul exemplifies the balance between these principles in 1 Corinthians
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“I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might
save
some” (1 Corinthians 9:22, ESV).
- Explanation: Paul engaged with unbelievers to reach them for Christ,
adapting to cultural contexts where possible, but never compromising
his
faith or moral integrity.
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And this as well. I wanted to point out the verses in dashes
as they are very important.As Christ pointed out, "whoever will,
come".
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4. Key Distinction
- Interact with the Lost: Engage with unbelievers to share the gospel.
Jesus Himself ate with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13).
- Avoid Compromise: Do not enter into binding relationships or adopt
behaviors that compromise Christian integrity or witness.
Conclusion
Paul’s teachings do not contradict each other but address different
1. Engage with the world for the sake of evangelism (1 Corinthians
5:10).
2. Shake off the dust and move on when they reject the gospel (see
above).
3. Separate from partnerships or practices that compromise holiness (2
Corinthians 6:14).
4. Withdraw from professing Christians who persist in sin or false
teaching (1 Corinthians 5:11; Titus 3:10).
Not only that, but "To the list of sinners mentioned in verse 10, Paul adds
revilers and drunkards in verse 11. A reviler is a man who uses strong,
intemperate language against another. But we would add a word of caution
here. Should a man be excommunicated from the church if on one
occasion only
he should lose his temper and use unguarded words? We would think not, but
would suggest that this expression refers to habitual practice. In other
words, a reviler would be one who is known as being characteristically
abusive toward others. At any rate, this should be a warning to us to
exercise control of our language. As Dr. Ironside has mentioned, many
people
say that they are just careless with their tongue, but he points out that
they might just as well say that they are careless with a machine gun. “
Plus Idolators include those who are covetous, place a higher priority on
following their over bearing pleasures and interests, over the words
of God,
and seldom; if ever, her what it is that The Heavenly Father desires
for us
to do, and never even consult him about it. IOW they are placing their
self-righteousness actions over the desires God has for their lives.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
This balance allows believers to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)
while maintaining their distinctiveness in Christ.
Post by Robert
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the
high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers
befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a
‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even
hanging
out and chatting with them.
"All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out
beginning 10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your
messages
from being read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG"
This is actually the right stance, considering the fact that we're
talking about people who have already heard and rejected the gospel,
and
who have told you they don't want to hear it. You pointed this out
yourself on a number of occasions. In the case of those who have
already
This is because a person sows these weed seeds amongst the groups of
believers who in effect have wired a speaker system into the ekklesia,
without any interest of being there. And as such that person has single
handedly brought down may groups of christian interests by the flow of
sewage
that he and his invited crown stream through these groups.
If they really wanted to know then they can come into the groups and
ask for
understandings and clarifications. Yet in every group there are trolls, who
are soon recognized, then ignored, then they move on because there is
no self
gratification to be had there.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before
pigs, lest they
trample them underfoot and turn to attack you” (Matthew 7:6, ESV).
That does not mean to never let them hear of even discuss such things with
them, for salvation itself is a Great Pearl of Great Price. When we meet
vicious people who treat divine truths with utter contempt and respond
to our
preaching of the claims of Christ with abuse and violence, we are not
obligated to continue to share the gospel with them.
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake
off the dust from
your feet when you leave that house or town” (Matthew 10:14, ESV).
“And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to
you, when you leave,
shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against
them” (Mark 6:11, ESV).
“And if they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake
off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5,
ESV).
“Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off
against you.
Nevertheless, know this, that the kingdom of God has come
near” (Luke 10:11, ESV).
“But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went
to Iconium” (Acts 13:51, ESV).
“And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments
and said to them, ‘Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent.
From now on I will go to the Gentiles’” (Acts 18:6, ESV).
Post by Robert
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral
people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or
idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the
worldand [sic] human
society altogether!
Correct. But this is not to be confused with the idea that we should
keep on trying to evangelize people who have openly rejected the gospel
after hearing it, and who are devoted to trying to destroy and
undermine
our faith in God. Cross-posting in two diametrically opposed groups
promotes contention and hands the mic to those who wish to destroy and
undermine our faith. It is the very definition of trolling.
Why deflect the purpose of this thread. Are not your ideas worthy of their
own thread and following discussion? Why ignore the truth and shift
the goal
posts?
Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Robert
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the
name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of
immorality or
greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that
usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must
not so much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge
outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to
pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Idem.
Good repost. Thank you!
I'd like to thank both of you for your posts and explanations from
your perspectives.
We are supposed to be serving the Lord, not the theology of men.
Thank you Rod.
I've written and ask that you pray for myself and for my wife
as I am going into end stage renal failure. I want God to
care for my wife and keep her from harm after I am gone. I won't
be around to reply. Goodbye.
Thank you! God bless you all.
Rod
Rod,

I am very, extremely sorry to hear that. I pray that you will be here to hear
this. I have been praying for you for years, Thanks you for letting us know,
and I will support your wife with prayer, and that the Lord Jesus Christ will
be with her in her time of sorrow, and beyond. This is so sad to hear, I just
pray that you have made peace with the Lord, and that I will see you and your
wife in Heaven before our Heavenly Father. My wife just saw me with tears and
and asked me what was wrong, so I let her know, and some of our history on
the Net. She said she will pray also for your wife as well as you.

Please, Please, be right with the Lord and make sure that you are Born Again
as we have discussed before. In the Lord I give you my Love, and May the
Peace of God be with you and your wife at this time, and that you will be
transferring from this Life to Eternal Life with the Lord. Good bye my dear
friend, Good Bye.

With Brotherly Love in the Lord I extend myself to yoy.

Regards,
Robert.
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Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters,
since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand human society
altogether!
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of
[Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is
an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must not so
much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is
it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked
one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Good post Robert, thank you!
Robert
2024-12-12 00:53:41 UTC
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Yes, not even to share a meal with? Does this apply to the non-believer?
Nope.
Why does this only apply to those who call themselves ‘brothers in
Christ’?
Today, as it was in the days of Jesus while he was on earth, it is the high
and mighty religious people, who complain about believers befriending the
atheists and non-believers, so much so that they even called Jesus a ‘wine
bibber’ because he was down to befriend those types of people, even hanging
out and chatting with them.
1Co 5:9-13 (AMPC)
9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and
habitually] with unchaste (impure) people--
10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters,
since otherwise you would need to get out of the worldand human society
altogether!
11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of
[Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is
an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of
God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling,
slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindleror a robber. [No] you must not so
much as eat with such a person.
12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is
it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that
wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
Good post Robert, thank you!
You’re welcome as this is something that all believers who say that they
worship the Lord, and are his followers should be reminded of from time to
time. Including myself, as we need to be spiritually introspective and listen
the Gods word, especially if one is not sensitive to the voice of the Lord.

These also are preventative measures for us lest we be cut off by our actions
and be left behind, per the words of Jesus.
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