Why Denying the Trinity Undermines the Gospel and Distorts God's Nature

On Oct 8, 2024, Christ Rose wrote
(Message-ID:<430f6841-55da-486d-a592-***@christrose.news>):

Clearly this person knows not the scriptures with understanding and follows
the traditions of men.

For instance, I am one with God, in this case my Heavenly Father, I have that
understanding on good authority. Who? You say? Jesus/Yeshua, His first
begotten son. Whose God is His Heavenly Father. Not only am I one with Him so
are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four. If
all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim a
different Gospel than the one Paul preached?

Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.

Jhn 17:18-26

18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.

25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

As to the subject about being a child of God?

Rom 8:14-17

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Joint-heir with Christ?

A brother of Christ?

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)

Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.

“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.

So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?

There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.

So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?

Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?

Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)

So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)

This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.

Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

Post by Christ Rose
The Bible teaches God is triune, meaning
one God in three persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is
clearly revealed throughout Scripture as
we examine the nature of God. Claiming
that the absence of the words "trinity"
or "triune" in the Bible disproves the
teaching is a foolish argument. The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.
1. God’s Oneness
Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one” (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of God is
foundational, but this unity does not
preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.
2. The Father is God
The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
“the only true God” (John 17:3, ESV).
Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, “yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV). The Father’s deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.
3. The Son is God
The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1, ESV). Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.
In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, “For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus’
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, “Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.
4. The Holy Spirit is God
The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: “You have not lied to man but to
God” (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirit’s divine nature.
Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, “Do you not know that you are
God’s temple and that God’s Spirit
dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV). Since the temple is where God
dwells, and the Spirit is said to dwell
in believers, this confirms that the
Holy Spirit is God. Denying His
personhood and divinity not only
undermines sanctification but also
commits blasphemy against God.
5. Distinction of Persons
Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus’ baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, “the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, ‘This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased’” (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.
In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth” (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.
6. The Great Commission
Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
“in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular “name” yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.
7. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction
Paul’s writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: “The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believer’s good.
Thus, the Bible reveals that God is one
in essence but three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three
persons are distinct, yet fully and
equally God. Denying the Trinity carries
serious spiritual dangers.
To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry, violating the
fundamental truth of God’s oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.
By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christ’s work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).
Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.
To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

In the Name of Jesus

2024-10-08 21:45:40 UTC

Post by Robert
Clearly this person knows not the scriptures with understanding and follows
the traditions of men.
For instance, I am one with God, in this case my Heavenly Father, I have that
understanding on good authority. Who? You say? Jesus/Yeshua, His first
begotten son. Whose God is His Heavenly Father.

I am not happy with this "translation" because it is terrible
terminology with a terrible spiritual connotation. Yes, I know the 'My
God and your God' bit, but that is not what you think it means. It was
only temporary talk because the Lord lowered Himself and was yet to
return from whence He came and had always been.

They crucified the Lord because they said He makes Himself equal with
God—He is equal, because He is God.

When you degrade—yes, that is what you are doing—the Lord Jesus Christ
to beneath the Father, you show that you have never understood who He
is. The thing about One Spirit, One Lord, is that there is no
distinction, and you have made a distinction in your thinking; it is wrong.

God is One Ocean, One Fish, One Salt, One Water, One Existence.

In the garden there was no Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; it was just
"AM." Like in the Torah, it was just, LORD or GOD—One. However, in the
New Testament, the Lord put division within Himself for our sake and
created a grafting (a Way) into Him capacity. Praise the Lord.

When a man praises the Lord and accepts the Lord Jesus as Lord, God is
praised in His entirety. The thing is with you and ChristRose, and
people like that Dwayne Sheriff, the bible has to be spiritually
discerned (heart discerned) with the Lord's presence, not head knowledge
discerned with personal bible study in the flesh.

And not a bible quote in sight; imagine that! That is because a son of
God does not need one because HE IS ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS/GOD/THE WORD.

I don't expect you to understand it and will no doubt argue against what
you don't understand, but this is not just written for you.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Not only am I one with Him so
are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four. If
all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim a
different Gospel than the one Paul preached?
Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.
Jhn 17:18-26
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.
25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As to the subject about being a child of God?
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Joint-heir with Christ?
A brother of Christ?
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)
Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.
“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.
So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?
There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.
So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?
Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?
Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)
So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)
This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.
Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?

Robert

2024-10-09 00:05:58 UTC

The problem here is that you have forgotten what the Word of God says, and
is.
There are a lot of supporting scriptures that speak the same some in
different verbiage, yet the same.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
They crucified the Lord because they said He makes Himself equal with
God—He is equal, because He is God.

He is and was equal like a prince is to their father, the King. The sons may
rule in their assigned portions and be a. King, yet they are still a Prince.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
When you degrade—yes, that is what you are doing—the Lord Jesus Christ
to beneath the Father, you show that you have never understood who He
is. The thing about One Spirit, One Lord, is that there is no
distinction, and you have made a distinction in your thinking; it is wrong.

From my end there is no of degrading Jesus/Yeshua.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
God is One Ocean, One Fish, One Salt, One Water, One Existence.

The Born Again Believer is One with Jesus, but who is our authority? Us?
Nope.

Are a Man and a woman in marriage, One?
Are they equal?
Is there a head of that equality?
Does that lessen or degrade either one?

Look in the Bible where scripture speaks of the Hierarchy of relationships
see if you can understand what it speaks, and BTW on whose authority did
Jesus do as He did, and what words did he speak, His or His Dads? How come
there were things only the Father knew and not Him? There is a lot to grasp
there, and also ask yourself, why did Jesus say not to pray to Him but only
to the Father?

Post by In the Name of Jesus
In the garden there was no Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; it was just
"AM." Like in the Torah, it was just, LORD or GOD—One. However, in the
New Testament, the Lord put division within Himself for our sake and
created a grafting (a Way) into Him capacity. Praise the Lord.

In the Garden, Yeshua said, “Let Us make man in our image”. Who is the
“us”?

Post by In the Name of Jesus
When a man praises the Lord and accepts the Lord Jesus as Lord, God is
praised in His entirety. The thing is with you and ChristRose, and
people like that Dwayne Sheriff, the bible has to be spiritually
discerned (heart discerned) with the Lord's presence, not head knowledge
discerned with personal bible study in the flesh.

Towards that end one MUST BE baptized in the Holy Spirit, for all those
reasons and more.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
And not a bible quote in sight; imagine that! That is because a son of
God does not need one because HE IS ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS/GOD/THE WORD.

Odd, isn’t it that Jesus frequently quoted scripture.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
I don't expect you to understand it and will no doubt argue against what
you don't understand, but this is not just written for you.
In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Not only am I one with Him so are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four.
If all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim
a different Gospel than the one Paul preached?
Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.
Jhn 17:18-26
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.
25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As to the subject about being a child of God?
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Joint-heir with Christ?
A brother of Christ?
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)
Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.
“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.
So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?
There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.
So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?
Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?
Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)
So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)
This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.
Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

Michael, Did you read and agree with these scriptures? Or disagree, or just
not bothered to read them.

Are believers One with the Godhead, or not?

Internet Sins

2024-10-09 02:52:38 UTC

On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:05:58 -0700
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:

<snip>

Hear ye, hear ye, all ye who wander the vast wasteland of the internet,
where wisdom is as rare as a unicorn and clarity is as elusive as a
politician's promise! Gather 'round as we dissect the latest missive
from our self-proclaimed theological heavyweight, who seems to have
mistaken the keyboard for a pulpit and the comment section for a
seminary classroom.

Post by Robert
The problem here is that you have forgotten what the Word of God
says, and is.

Ah, yes, the classic opening gambit: the “I’m right, you’re wrong”
approach. It’s a bold strategy, Cotton! Let’s see if it pays off. But
alas, dear correspondent, your argument is as clear as mud. You’ve
managed to string together a series of phrases that sound profound but
ultimately lead us nowhere. It’s like trying to navigate a maze
designed by a particularly sadistic architect.

Post by Robert
There are a lot of supporting scriptures that speak the same some in
different verbiage, yet the same.

Ah, the “I have a lot of scriptures” defense! A timeless classic. It’s
like saying, “I have a lot of friends” when you really just have a
collection of acquaintances who tolerate your presence at parties. But
let’s be honest: throwing around vague references to scripture without
context is akin tossing confetti at a funeral. It’s colorful, but it
doesn’t really help the situation.

Post by Robert
He is and was equal like a prince is to their father, the King.

A prince, you say? How quaint! But let’s not forget that princes often
have a tendency to be a bit… well, spoiled. If we’re going to use royal
analogies, let’s at least acknowledge that the kingdom is rife with
intrigue, and not all princes are created equal. Some are just better
at playing the game than others.

Post by Robert
The Born Again Believer is One with Jesus, but who is our authority?
Us? Nope.

Ah, the age-old question of authority! It’s almost as if you’re trying
to channel the spirit of a medieval theologian while typing on a
21st-century device. But let’s not get lost in the weeds of hierarchy
and authority. After all, the only authority you seem to wield is the
ability to confuse your audience with convoluted logic.

Post by Robert
Are a Man and a woman in marriage, One? Are they equal? Is there a
head of that equality?

Now we’re venturing into the realm of marital metaphors! Bravo! But
let’s not pretend that marriage is a straightforward equation. It’s
more like a complex algorithm that even the brightest minds struggle to
solve. And if you think you can draw parallels between divine
relationships and human marriages without losing half your audience,
you might want to reconsider your approach.

Post by Robert
Look in the Bible where scripture speaks of the Hierarchy of
relationships see if you can understand what it speaks...

Ah, the “look it up” tactic! A classic move. It’s like saying, “I’m too
lazy to explain my point, so you do the work.” But fear not, dear
reader, for I shall extend my hand in forgiveness to our misguided
correspondent.

For your internet sins—your vague assertions, your lack of clarity,
your penchant for name-calling disguised as theological debate—I offer
you a path to redemption. Repent! Cast aside your trolling tactics and
embrace the light of coherent discourse.

In conclusion, dear friend, if you truly wish to engage in meaningful
dialogue, I implore you to abandon the cryptic riddles and embrace the
clarity of thought. For in the realm of the internet, where trolls lurk
and wisdom is scarce, let us strive for understanding rather than
confusion. And remember, the keyboard is not a confessional; it’s a
tool for enlightenment.

In the Name of Jesus

2024-10-09 09:09:12 UTC

The problem here is that you have forgotten what the Word of God says, and
is.
There are a lot of supporting scriptures that speak the same some in
different verbiage, yet the same.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
They crucified the Lord because they said He makes Himself equal with
God—He is equal, because He is God.

He is and was equal like a prince is to their father, the King. The sons may
rule in their assigned portions and be a. King, yet they are still a Prince.

From my end there is no of degrading Jesus/Yeshua.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
God is One Ocean, One Fish, One Salt, One Water, One Existence.

The Born Again Believer is One with Jesus, but who is our authority? Us?
Nope.
Are a Man and a woman in marriage, One?
Are they equal?
Is there a head of that equality?
Does that lessen or degrade either one?
Look in the Bible where scripture speaks of the Hierarchy of relationships
see if you can understand what it speaks, and BTW on whose authority did
Jesus do as He did, and what words did he speak, His or His Dads? How come
there were things only the Father knew and not Him? There is a lot to grasp
there, and also ask yourself, why did Jesus say not to pray to Him but only
to the Father?

In the Garden, Yeshua said, “Let Us make man in our image”. Who is the
“us”?

Towards that end one MUST BE baptized in the Holy Spirit, for all those
reasons and more.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
And not a bible quote in sight; imagine that! That is because a son of
God does not need one because HE IS ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS/GOD/THE WORD.

Odd, isn’t it that Jesus frequently quoted scripture.

Not one bit.

Post by In the Name of Jesus
I don't expect you to understand it and will no doubt argue against what
you don't understand, but this is not just written for you.
In the Name of Jesus

As expected. If you don't know the Lord Jesus as God the Father, you
can't know what has been said.

You've never been able to understand.

It is a shame, but nevertheless.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.
Jhn 17:18-26
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.
25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As to the subject about being a child of God?
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Joint-heir with Christ?
A brother of Christ?
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)
Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.
“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.
So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?
There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.
So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?
Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?
Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)
So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)
This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.
Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

Michael, Did you read and agree with these scriptures? Or disagree, or just
not bothered to read them.
Are believers One with the Godhead, or not?

Christ Rose

2024-10-08 22:22:04 UTC

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On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 12:01:12 -0500
<430f6841-55da-486d-a592-***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news> wrote:
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One must wonder, which of these Bible
truths about God is Robert trying to
deny, undermine, and poison people's
mind against here, as he ignores the
Sripture presented below? Is He
contradicting the fact there is only one
eternally self-existent God Being
("une"), or is He denying the Father,
Son, or Spirit is each that eternally
self-existent God Being ("Tri")?

1) There is only one ("une" = one) God
(eternally self-existent God Being).

Scripture repeatedly affirms this truth,
leaving no room for ambiguity. “Hear, O
Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is
one” (Deuteronomy 6:4, ESV). God says
clearly, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). In another passage,
He declares, “Before me no god was
formed, nor shall there be any after me”
(Isaiah 43:10, ESV). God even
challenges, “Is there a God besides me?
There is no Rock; I know not any”
(Isaiah 44:8, ESV). Paul also states
unequivocally, “For although there may
be so-called gods in heaven or on
earth... yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:5-6,
ESV).

To contradict this clear biblical truth
is to promote idolatry. Those who deny
that there is only one ("une") God
attempt to multiply gods, which
Scripture condemns as false worship and
idolatry.

2) The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
("Tri" = three distinct persons) is God
(the one and only eternally
self-existent God Being)

The Father is God. Jesus prays to the
Father as “the only true God” (John
17:3, ESV). Paul affirms this when he
says, “yet for us there is one God, the
Father, from whom are all things” (1
Corinthians 8:6, ESV). Denying that the
Father is God is nothing less than
blasphemy.

Jesus Christ is God. In John 1:1, we
read, “In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God” (John 1:1, ESV). This passage
explicitly declares Christ’s deity.
Colossians 2:9 reinforces this truth:
“For in him the whole fullness of deity
dwells bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV).
Denying Christ’s deity is to reject the
very heart of the gospel, for Jesus says
in John 8:24, “Unless you believe that I
am he you will die in your sins” (John
8:24, ESV). Later, in John 8:58, Jesus
declares, “Before Abraham was, I am”
(John 8:58, ESV), and the Jews sought to
stone Him for what they understood as a
claim to be the eternal God (John 8:59).

To deny that Jesus is God—the one true,
eternally self-existing God—is
blasphemy. It strips away the very
nature of His atoning work on the cross.
Only God Himself could provide a
sufficient sacrifice for the infinite
offense of sin. If Jesus were anything
less than God, His death would be
inadequate to save humanity.

The Holy Spirit is God. In Acts 5, Peter
confronts Ananias, saying, “Why has
Satan filled your heart to lie to the
Holy Spirit... You have not lied to man
but to God” (Acts 5:3-4, ESV). This
passage clearly equates lying to the
Holy Spirit with lying to God,
demonstrating the Holy Spirit’s
divinity. The swift death penalty
Ananias received for this blasphemy
underscores the gravity of such a sin.
Therefore, to deny the Holy Spirit is
God is not just a theological error—it
is an affront to God's nature and His
role in the life of believers.

Whoever denies that the Father, Son, or
Spirit ("Tri" = three persons) is the
one, true, eternally self-existing God
Being, promotes blasphemy and a false
gospel which is not capable of rendering
a propitiating atonement for the sins of
mankind.

So the question becomes: Which Bible
truths about God, does Robert reject and
attack, to promote the lie that God is
not triune? Does he deny that there is
only one God, and confess to idolatry?
Or does he deny the deity of either the
Father, Son, or Holy Spirit, confessing
to blasphemy and promoting a false
gospel which can save no one?

To reject the fact God is triune is to
either multiply gods or to reduce the
Father, Son, or Spirit to something less
than fully God. Both errors lead to a
false gospel that results in eternal
damnation. Only the triune God saves,
and to deny His triune nature is to deny
the very essence of the one, true God.

Post by Christ Rose
The Bible teaches God is triune, meaning
one God in three persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is
clearly revealed throughout Scripture as
we examine the nature of God. Claiming
that the absence of the words "trinity"
or "triune" in the Bible disproves the
teaching is a foolish argument. The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.
1. God’s Oneness
Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one” (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no
God” (Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of
God is foundational, but this unity does
not preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.
2. The Father is God
The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
“the only true God” (John 17:3, ESV).
Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, “yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV). The Father’s deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.
3. The Son is God
The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1, ESV). Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.
In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, “For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus’
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, “Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.
4. The Holy Spirit is God
The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: “You have not lied to man but to
God” (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirit’s divine nature.
Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, “Do you not know that you are
God’s temple and that God’s Spirit
dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV). Since the temple is where God
dwells, and the Spirit is said to dwell
in believers, this confirms that the
Holy Spirit is God. Denying His
personhood and divinity not only
undermines sanctification but also
commits blasphemy against God.
5. Distinction of Persons
Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus’ baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, “the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, ‘This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased’” (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.
In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth” (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.
6. The Great Commission
Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
“in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular “name” yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.
7. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction
Paul’s writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: “The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believer’s good.
Thus, the Bible reveals that God is one
in essence but three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three
persons are distinct, yet fully and
equally God. Denying the Trinity carries
serious spiritual dangers.
To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry, violating the
fundamental truth of God’s oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.
By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christ’s work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).
Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.
To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)
https://christrose.news/salvation

--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Robert

2024-10-09 00:28:20 UTC

Re: Why Denying the Trinity Undermines the Gospel and Distorts God's
Nature
October 8, 2024 at 3:22:04 PM PDT
========================================
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 12:01:12 -0500
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One must wonder, which of these Bible
truths about God is Robert trying to
deny, undermine, and poison people's
mind against here, as he ignores the
Sripture presented below? Is He
contradicting the fact there is only one
eternally self-existent God Being
("une"), or is He denying the Father,
Son, or Spirit is each that eternally
self-existent God Being ("Tri”?

There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

Here is she/he/it's proof that one part of the scripture “poisons” the
other. Or so she/he/it claims.

Who was it that divested himself of all his Glory to be born a man?

And if Jesus and the Heavenly Father were one and the same then who was the
power that worked through Jesus to do the works of His Father? How did the
Heavenly Father Speak with a voice that man could hear, when he said, “This
is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”? Or "hear ye Him”?

Christ Rose

2024-10-09 01:31:21 UTC

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On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:28:20 -0700
<ve4in4$2brdb$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================

There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

Why did Robert ignore all of the
Scriptures and reasoning in the original
post? Why did he simply try to write
over the top of them as if they did not
exist, without acknowledging what they
say? Why does he now try to accuse me of
exactly what he just did?

Post by Robert
Here is she/he/it's proof that one part of the scripture “poisons” the
other. Or so she/he/it claims.
Who was it that divested himself of all his Glory to be born a man?
And if Jesus and the Heavenly Father were one and the same then who was the
power that worked through Jesus to do the works of His Father? How did the
Heavenly Father Speak with a voice that man could hear, when he said, “This
is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”? Or "hear ye Him”?

Were these not precisely the points made
in the OP (with Scripture), to confirm
the Bible fact that the Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit, are three distinct persons
("Tri" = three)? Are you now admitting
you didn't even read that before you
responded?

Have you not here now, unwittingly
acknowledged the "Tri" part of triune,
by agreeing that the Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit are three distinct persons?

The question now becomes, which of these
three are you blaspheming by denying He
is the one, true, eternally
self-existing God ("une" = one)?

For example, why would you try to poison
people's minds against the fact that
Jesus is the one, true, eternally
self-existent God, and blaspheme Him in
that way?

Didn't John say that in the beginning,
Jesus was both "with God" (showing their
distinct persons), and that He already
"was God" in the beginning (John 1:1)?
Didn't Jesus say, "I am He", and that
unless they believed that, they would
"die in your sins" (John 8:24)? Didn't
He say before Abraham was, "I AM" (John
8:58)? Didn't they pick up stones to
kill Him for that claim (John 8:59)?

How do you propose anyone other than the
one, true, eternally self-existing God,
could provide a propitiating atonement
for our sins on the cross, which is of
the infinite value needed to appease an
infinite God, who's righteousness has
been infinitely offended by our sins? If
you're denying Jesus is the one, true,
eternally self-existing God, how are you
not trying to poison people's minds
against the gospel, and promote a false
gospel that lacks a sufficient atonement
for our sins?

"Tri": The Father, Son, and Spirit are
three distinct persons.

"une": The Father is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being. The Son is the
one, eternally self-existing God Being.
The Spirit is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Internet Sins

2024-10-09 02:48:35 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 20:31:21 -0500
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news> wrote:

Hear ye, hear ye, noble purveyor of theological gymnastics! Your recent
missive, a veritable cornucopia of scriptural acrobatics and rhetorical
flourishes, has landed in my inbox like a lead balloon. Let us dissect
this grandiloquent display of internet sinfulness, shall we?

Why did Robert ignore all of the Scriptures and reasoning in the
original post? Why did he simply try to write over the top of them as
if they did not exist, without acknowledging what they say? Why does
he now try to accuse me of exactly what he just did?

Ah, the classic “I’m rubber, you’re glue” defense! A time-honored
tactic in the annals of internet debate, where one’s own failings are
projected onto the unsuspecting opponent. It’s almost charming, really,
like watching a toddler throw a tantrum because someone else has the
toy they want. But let’s not get sidetracked by your juvenile antics.

Were these not precisely the points made in the OP (with Scripture),
to confirm the Bible fact that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are
three distinct persons ("Tri" = three)?

Indeed, you’ve cracked the code! “Tri” does indeed mean three, much
like “bi” means two, and “mono” means one. Congratulations on your
mastery of basic prefixes! But let’s not pretend that your
understanding of the Trinity is anything more than a simplistic parsing
of terms. You wield your “three distinct persons” like a sword, but
it’s more akin to a butter knife in the hands of a child—ineffective
and potentially dangerous.

The question now becomes, which of these three are you blaspheming by
denying He is the one, true, eternally self-existing God ("une" =
one)?

Ah, the blasphemy card! A classic move in theological playbook. It’s as
if you’ve taken a page from the “How to Win Friends and Influence
People” manual, but instead of friends, you’re left with a collection
of bewildered onlookers. Your accusations are as empty as a
politician’s promise, and just as entertaining.

How do you propose anyone other than the one, true, eternally
self-existing God, could provide a propitiating atonement for our
sins on the cross, which is of the infinite value needed to appease
an infinite God, who's righteousness has been infinitely offended by
our sins?

Ah, the grand finale of your diatribe! A flourish of theological jargon
that would make even the most seasoned seminary student roll their
eyes. You’ve managed to string together a series of buzzwords that
sound impressive but ultimately lack substance. It’s like a magician
pulling a rabbit out of a hat—except the rabbit is a poorly constructed
argument, and the hat is your own confusion.

Now, dear interlocutor, I must address your internet sins. You have
committed the following transgressions:

1. **Projection**: Accusing others of ignoring scripture while doing
the same yourself. 2. **Rhetorical Overkill**: Using grandiose language
to mask a lack of coherent argumentation. 3. **Name-Calling**:
Resorting to blasphemy accusations instead of engaging in meaningful
dialogue. 4. **Misinterpretation**: Twisting the words of others to fit
your narrative, like a contortionist at a circus.

But fear not! For I am a benevolent soul, and I offer you forgiveness.
All I ask is that you repent of your internet sins. Acknowledge the
simplicity of your arguments, embrace humility, and perhaps, just
perhaps, engage in a discussion that doesn’t resemble a theological
food fight.

In conclusion, let us strive for a higher discourse, one that elevates
rather than diminishes. The internet is a vast wasteland of noise, but
together, we can transform it into a garden of thoughtful exchange—if
only you would put down the blasphemy card and pick up the olive branch.

Robert

2024-10-09 03:36:04 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:28:20 -0700
========================================

There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

A trio is not a trinity.

You have not defined “one”.

Nor have you denied “trinity” but the pagan scholars have well before the
time of Jesus, the Real Christ.

Is the Human a trinity? Body, Soul, and Spirit?

Post by Christ Rose
Have you not here now, unwittingly
acknowledged the "Tri" part of triune,
by agreeing that the Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit are three distinct persons?

No, that is your false accusation, your carnal mind in action. As to the
spirits of God, why are their seven?

Post by Christ Rose
The question now becomes, which of these
three are you blaspheming by denying He
is the one, true, eternally
self-existing God ("une" = one)?

You know not the meaning of it, Is a tri-cycle three bikes in one?

Post by Christ Rose
For example, why would you try to poison
people's minds against the fact that
Jesus is the one, true, eternally
self-existent God, and blaspheme Him in
that way?

What did the scriptures I posted say, you ignored all of them in your
replies.

Why is God as in Elohim. Plural in the OT? You never answered that. Why is it
that you can never show any definitions of words that I ask from you?
Why was Christ sacrificed before the worlds were formed?

Post by Christ Rose
Didn't John say that in the beginning,
Jesus was both "with God" (showing their
distinct persons), and that He already
"was God" in the beginning (John 1:1)?
Didn't Jesus say, "I am He", and that
unless they believed that, they would
"die in your sins" (John 8:24)? Didn't
He say before Abraham was, "I AM" (John
8:58)? Didn't they pick up stones to
kill Him for that claim (John 8:59)?

And didn’t I point all that out to you before?
As well as others very many times?
And haven’t falsely accused me of never saying or speaking on that?
Is not that the poisoning, or attempted poisoning of what others would think
that I believed?

Post by Christ Rose
How do you propose anyone other than the
one, true, eternally self-existing God,
could provide a propitiating atonement
for our sins on the cross, which is of
the infinite value needed to appease an
infinite God, who's righteousness has
been infinitely offended by our sins? If
you're denying Jesus is the one, true,
eternally self-existing God, how are you
not trying to poison people's minds
against the gospel, and promote a false
gospel that lacks a sufficient atonement
for our sins?

And which part of the Godhead was appeased by the shed blood?

Post by Christ Rose
\
"Tri": The Father, Son, and Spirit are
three distinct persons.

Where is that stipulated? Other than in corrupted texts?

Post by Christ Rose
"une": The Father is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being. The Son is the
one, eternally self-existing God Being.
The Spirit is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being.

Your parrotosis has bad breath.

‘echâd

ekh-awd’

A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first:
- a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-]
ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one,
only, other, some, together.
************************

Notice "properly united”

Scriptures very clearly show that I am one with Christ as he is with the
Father.

You chose to ignore truth to propagate your unfounded dogma.

******************************************************
On Oct 8, 2024, Christ Rose wrote
(Message-ID:<430f6841-55da-486d-a592-***@christrose.news>):

Clearly this person knows not the scriptures with understanding and follows
the traditions of men.

For instance, I am one with God, in this case my Heavenly Father, I have that
understanding on good authority. Who? You say? Jesus/Yeshua, His first
begotten son. Whose God is His Heavenly Father. Not only am I one with Him so
are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four. If
all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim a
different Gospel than the one Paul preached?

Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.

Jhn 17:18-26

18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.

25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

As to the subject about being a child of God?

Rom 8:14-17

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Joint-heir with Christ?

A brother of Christ?

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)

Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.

“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.

So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?

There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.

So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?

Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?

Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)

So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)

This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.

Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

Christ Rose

2024-10-09 08:15:07 UTC

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On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:36:04 -0700
<ve4tn4$2h2da$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Christ Rose
========================================
On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:28:20 -0700
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There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

Why do you have no answer to that? Do
you really expect you're going to again
walk into someone else's message, ignore
the majority of what it says, post your
own contradictions and poison over the
top of it, then expect that from now on,
your never ending objections must take
priority in the discussion?

A trio is not a trinity.

Who tried to conflate the triune nature
of God with a trio?

Post by Robert
You have not defined “one”.

The Scriptures you ignored, didn't
plainly state there is only "one" God
(singular), and that there are "no
other" Gods (plural) besides that one,
single, solitary God? This was an
insufficient clue for you to discern
what was meant by "one"?

"une", "unus", "one" = 1, not 2, not 3,
not 4, not 1.5 billion. There is only
one God Being. Get it?

John 1 says that in the beginning, the
word "was" God. This means the word
already "was" existing as God, in His
very Being, before the "beginning"
finally showed up.

Jesus didn't become "a god" by virtue of
association and unity "with" the Father.
He already existed as _the_ single,
solitary God Being, in the beginning.

Post by Robert
Nor have you denied “trinity” but the pagan scholars have well before the
time of Jesus, the Real Christ.

Try again, please. In its current form,
this sentence doesn't appear to make sense.

1) "Nor have you denied 'trinity'"

*Checks title of message*

"Why Denying the Trinity Undermines The
Gospel and Distorts God's Nature".

Yeah, that would be because the Bible
evidence points to the fact there is
only one eternally self-existent God
Being (to deny that is idolatry), yet
that the Father, Son, and Spirit (whom
you admit are three distinct persons) is
God (to deny that is blasphemy and
promotes a false gospel). Why do you act
like it's important for me to deny what
I know the Bible teaches?

2) The Role of "Pagan Scholars"

This appears to be another effort at
guilt by association. You might just as
well accuse God of being gay, for using
rainbows. You go looking for some
definition of a word that was used by
pagans, and then draw the superficial
conclusion that if pagans used it for
bad things, then the word must be bad
for all intents and purposes.

One glaring problem with that, is the
fact that pagans were still using the
word "theos" at the time the Bible was
being written 2,000 years ago. Yet God
the Holy Spirit inspired the use of the
word "theos" to refer to the one, true
God Being. Thus, the word cannot be
poisoned, simply because pagans use it
to mean something else.

4. Reference to "The Real Christ":

The real Christ described in the Bible
"was" already both "with" God (as a
distinct person), and "was God" (was
Himself the one eternally self-existent
God Being), at the time the beginning
arrived.

Post by Robert
Is the Human a trinity? Body, Soul, and Spirit?

The human is not God. God is the one
God. Christ is the one God. The Holy
Spirit is the one God. They are three
distinct persons, who also happen to be
the one, single God Being.

Post by Christ Rose
Have you not here now, unwittingly
acknowledged the "Tri" part of triune,
by agreeing that the Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit are three distinct persons?

No, that is your false accusation, your carnal mind in action.

You clearly pointed out that the Father,
Son, and Spirit are three distinct
persons. Three = Tri. You're half-way there.

Post by Robert
As to the
spirits of God, why are their seven?

Why is the Holy Spirit likened to oil,
wind, and a dove? Each is a symbolic
representation. Seven denotes
completeness and perfection.

Post by Christ Rose
The question now becomes, which of these
three are you blaspheming by denying He
is the one, true, eternally
self-existing God ("une" = one)?

You know not the meaning of it, Is a tri-cycle three bikes in one?

1) Doesn't the "tri" in "tricycle" refer
to three tires, in one bike, rather than
three bikes in one bike?

2) Likewise, "triune", when applied to
God, means three persons in one God
Being, not three separate Gods in one
God Being. There is only one God.

3) There is no physical analogy which
perfectly illustrates God. The Bible
shows that Jesus was both already "with"
God in the Beginning, and that at the
same time He "was" already God in the
beginning. That means that each of the
three persons (Father, Son, and Spirit)
is independently, fully God, yet that
there is only one God Being.

The problem occurs when an fool
determines that God has to fit within
His comprehension, or else he will
create an idol that's dumb enough for
him to understand.

Post by Christ Rose
For example, why would you try to poison
people's minds against the fact that
Jesus is the one, true, eternally
self-existent God, and blaspheme Him in
that way?

What did the scriptures I posted say, you ignored all of them in your
replies.

Did you really imagine you were going to
again walk into someone else's message,
ignore every Bible evidence it mentions,
post your own contradictions and poison
over the top of it, then expect that
from then on, your contradictions would
take priority, and it would be my duty
to dump what I know the Bible to teach,
while carefully considering and giving
an account to you for each of your claims?

If so, the only thing we need to make
this complete, is for you to now accuse
me of being the one who is arrogant and
who is seeking "preeminence".

Post by Robert
Why is God as in Elohim. Plural in the OT? You never answered that.

How much do you want to bet?

========================================
Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:18:32 -0600,
<***@4ax.com>
ChristRose <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
========================================
Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:55:16 -0800,
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[...]

Post by Christ Rose
The Godhead? Even the lowest

biblical student is aware that Elohim

It's probably easier for you to promote
confusion about the situation, by
ignoring what the New Testament states
about Jesus being God (the Being) (e.g.
John 1:1; Philippians 2:6ff.; John
10:32-33; Colossians 1, etc), and trying
to establish your understanding on the
Old Testament revelation.

Post by Christ Rose
is plural
in Hebrew, thus two, as in “US”.

Three persons (Father, Son, Spirit). One
being (God). Otherwise you're either
denying Jesus is God (the Being), or
worshipping more than one God.

Post by Christ Rose
(Two are One?) One as in Unity or
United.

One as in one God being. Three, as in
three as in three distinct persons.
========================================

So there's one false claim that I never
answered.

Post by Robert
Why is it
that you can never show any definitions of words that I ask from you?

And there's another one that can't be an
unintentional oversight on your part,
because I've posted this at least 11
times and you cited it in your responses:

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On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 21:35:42 -0500
<30813d3d-51b1-41ed-8a58-***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news> wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
========================================
On Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:51:53 -0700
========================================

[...]

Post by Robert
How can you determine that not knowing what Sovereign means?
You have not defined it yet...

1) Are you denying I have ever given you
a definition, or are you denying that
the definition you were given is the
correct definition?

If the former, why do you deny keep
denying that a definition was already
repeatedly given to you in the following
articles, and how are you not a liar?

https://christrose.news/sovereign
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news
***@christrose.news

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There are 11 times I posted a definition
for sovereign. You've cited these links
in your responses. Why do I have to keep
pretending like you aren't a liar?

I've now spent three hours listening to
your lies, only to have you ignore
everything that gets posted. We're done
here.

Post by Robert
Why was Christ sacrificed before the worlds were formed?

And which part of the Godhead was appeased by the shed blood?

Post by Christ Rose
\
"Tri": The Father, Son, and Spirit are
three distinct persons.

Where is that stipulated? Other than in corrupted texts?

Post by Christ Rose
"une": The Father is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being. The Son is the
one, eternally self-existing God Being.
The Spirit is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being.

Your parrotosis has bad breath.
‘echâd
ekh-awd’
- a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-]
ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one,
only, other, some, together.
Notice "properly united”
Scriptures very clearly show that I am one with Christ as he is with the
Father.
You chose to ignore truth to propagate your unfounded dogma.
Clearly this person knows not the scriptures with understanding and follows
the traditions of men.
For instance, I am one with God, in this case my Heavenly Father, I have that
understanding on good authority. Who? You say? Jesus/Yeshua, His first
begotten son. Whose God is His Heavenly Father. Not only am I one with Him so
are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four. If
all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim a
different Gospel than the one Paul preached?
Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.
Jhn 17:18-26
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.
25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As to the subject about being a child of God?
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Joint-heir with Christ?
A brother of Christ?
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Rom
8:29)
Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.
“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.
So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?
There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.
So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?
Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?
Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)
So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)
This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.
Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

In the Name of Jesus

2024-10-09 09:00:06 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:36:04 -0700
========================================

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:28:20 -0700
========================================

There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

Why do you have no answer to that? Do you really expect you're going to
again walk into someone else's message, ignore the majority of what it
says, post your own contradictions and poison over the top of it, then
expect that from now on, your never ending objections must take priority
in the discussion?

A trio is not a trinity.

Who tried to conflate the triune nature of God with a trio?

Post by Robert
You have not defined “one”.

The Scriptures you ignored, didn't plainly state there is only "one" God
(singular), and that there are "no other" Gods (plural) besides that
one, single, solitary God? This was an insufficient clue for you to
discern what was meant by "one"?
"une", "unus", "one" = 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 1.5 billion. There is
only one God Being. Get it?
John 1 says that in the beginning, the word "was" God. This means the
word already "was" existing as God, in His very Being, before the
"beginning" finally showed up.
Jesus didn't become "a god" by virtue of association and unity "with"
the Father. He already existed as _the_ single, solitary God Being, in
the beginning.

Post by Robert
Nor have you denied “trinity” but the pagan scholars have well before the
time of Jesus, the Real Christ.

Try again, please. In its current form, this sentence doesn't appear to
make sense.
1) "Nor have you denied 'trinity'"
*Checks title of message*
"Why Denying the Trinity Undermines The Gospel and Distorts God's Nature".
Yeah, that would be because the Bible evidence points to the fact there
is only one eternally self-existent God Being (to deny that is
idolatry), yet that the Father, Son, and Spirit (whom you admit are
three distinct persons) is God (to deny that is blasphemy and promotes a
false gospel). Why do you act like it's important for me to deny what I
know the Bible teaches?
2) The Role of "Pagan Scholars"
This appears to be another effort at guilt by association. You might
just as well accuse God of being gay, for using rainbows. You go looking
for some definition of a word that was used by pagans, and then draw the
superficial conclusion that if pagans used it for bad things, then the
word must be bad for all intents and purposes.
One glaring problem with that, is the fact that pagans were still using
the word "theos" at the time the Bible was being written 2,000 years
ago. Yet God the Holy Spirit inspired the use of the word "theos" to
refer to the one, true God Being. Thus, the word cannot be poisoned,
simply because pagans use it to mean something else.
The real Christ described in the Bible "was" already both "with" God (as
a distinct person), and "was God" (was Himself the one eternally self-
existent God Being), at the time the beginning arrived.

Post by Robert
Is the Human a trinity? Body, Soul, and Spirit?

The human is not God. God is the one God. Christ is the one God. The
Holy Spirit is the one God. They are three distinct persons, who also
happen to be the one, single God Being.

Post by Christ Rose
Have you not here now, unwittingly
acknowledged the "Tri" part of triune,
by agreeing that the Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit are three distinct persons?

No, that is your false accusation, your carnal mind in action.

You clearly pointed out that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three
distinct persons. Three = Tri. You're half-way there.

Post by Robert
As to the
spirits of God, why are their seven?

Why is the Holy Spirit likened to oil, wind, and a dove? Each is a
symbolic representation. Seven denotes completeness and perfection.

Post by Christ Rose
The question now becomes, which of these
three are you blaspheming by denying He
is the one, true, eternally
self-existing God ("une" = one)?

You know not the meaning of it, Is a tri-cycle three bikes in one?

1) Doesn't the "tri" in "tricycle" refer to three tires, in one bike,
rather than three bikes in one bike?
2) Likewise, "triune", when applied to God, means three persons in one
God Being, not three separate Gods in one God Being. There is only one God.
3) There is no physical analogy which perfectly illustrates God. The
Bible shows that Jesus was both already "with" God in the Beginning, and
that at the same time He "was" already God in the beginning. That means
that each of the three persons (Father, Son, and Spirit) is
independently, fully God, yet that there is only one God Being.
The problem occurs when an fool determines that God has to fit within
His comprehension, or else he will create an idol that's dumb enough for
him to understand.

Post by Christ Rose
For example, why would you try to poison
people's minds against the fact that
Jesus is the one, true, eternally
self-existent God, and blaspheme Him in
that way?

What did the scriptures I posted say, you ignored all of them in your
replies.

Did you really imagine you were going to again walk into someone else's
message, ignore every Bible evidence it mentions, post your own
contradictions and poison over the top of it, then expect that from then
on, your contradictions would take priority, and it would be my duty to
dump what I know the Bible to teach, while carefully considering and
giving an account to you for each of your claims?
If so, the only thing we need to make this complete, is for you to now
accuse me of being the one who is arrogant and who is seeking
"preeminence".

Post by Robert
Why is God as in Elohim. Plural in the OT? You never answered that.

How much do you want to bet?
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>>The Godhead? Even the lowest biblical student is aware that Elohim
It's probably easier for you to promote
confusion about the situation, by
ignoring what the New Testament states
about Jesus being God (the Being) (e.g.
John 1:1; Philippians 2:6ff.; John
10:32-33; Colossians 1, etc), and trying
to establish your understanding on the
Old Testament revelation.

Post by Christ Rose
is plural in Hebrew, thus two, as in “US”.

Three persons (Father, Son, Spirit). One
being (God). Otherwise you're either
denying Jesus is God (the Being), or
worshipping more than one God.

Post by Christ Rose
(Two are One?) One as in Unity or United.

One as in one God being. Three, as in
three as in three distinct persons.
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So there's one false claim that I never answered.

Post by Robert
Why is it
that you can never show any definitions of words that I ask from you?

And there's another one that can't be an unintentional oversight on your
part, because I've posted this at least 11 times and you cited it in
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
How can you determine that not knowing what Sovereign means?
You have not defined it yet...

1) Are you denying I have ever given you a definition, or are you
denying that the definition you were given is the correct definition?
If the former, why do you deny keep denying that a definition was
already repeatedly given to you in the following articles, and how are
you not a liar?
https://christrose.news/sovereign
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There are 11 times I posted a definition for sovereign. You've cited
these links in your responses. Why do I have to keep pretending like you
aren't a liar?
I've now spent three hours listening to your lies, only to have you
ignore everything that gets posted. We're done here.

You both don't listen to the Lord.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Why was Christ sacrificed before the worlds were formed?

And which part of the Godhead was appeased by the shed blood?

Post by Christ Rose
\
"Tri": The Father, Son, and Spirit are
three distinct persons.

Where is that stipulated? Other than in corrupted texts?

Post by Christ Rose
"une": The Father is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being. The Son is the
one, eternally self-existing God Being.
The Spirit is the one, eternally
self-existing God Being.

Your parrotosis has bad breath.
‘echâd
ekh-awd’
- a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-]
ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one,
only, other, some, together.
Notice "properly united”
Scriptures very clearly show that I am one with Christ as he is with the
Father.
You chose to ignore truth to propagate your unfounded dogma.
Clearly this person knows not the scriptures with understanding and follows
the traditions of men.
For instance, I am one with God, in this case my Heavenly Father, I have that
understanding on good authority. Who? You say? Jesus/Yeshua, His first
begotten son. Whose God is His Heavenly Father. Not only am I one with Him so
are all my brothers in Christ Jesus. So if I am one, that would make four. If
all my Brothers and sisters in Christ are one with Him then what is the term
with millions and beyond? So then, where does he err? And why does he claim a
different Gospel than the one Paul preached?
Need proof of this all? Fine, here it is. From Gods lips to your ears.
Jhn 17:18-26
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the
world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified
through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, artin me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst
me before the foundation of the world.
25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As to the subject about being a child of God?
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if
so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Joint-heir with Christ?
A brother of Christ?
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many
brethren.” (Rom
8:29)
Lest the OP try and muddle the scriptures of God, parse out the scripture
above.
“First-born of MANY of His brethren. Meaning not that the brothers in the
LORD are a separate group or class of beings, since he is counted as being
one with us, and we with him.
So what about the foolishness of any trinity, like the three
musketeers? Or
the Stooge Brothers, or the trinity of spices used for Italian seasoning?
There are many, many more scriptures regarding the Born Again
Believers who
walk with him as being also one with him.
So does this OP anonymous person deny the scriptures above? As He does other
scriptures in the Bible?
Where is the word Triune of Trinity to be found in the scriptures. There is
the word “US” so what is “us” or “our” as in “our image”?
Plus if the God of Jesus is the same God whom we serve. Then just how does he
work around that truth?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17)
So me ever mindful of this “religious person” for this reason,...“There
is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of
death.” (Pro 16:25)
This is hard to say, but he has shown himself as a fraud. Not willing to
follow the commandments of Jesus. Unrepentant, and without love for the
brethren.
Hopefully he/she/it with seek the Lord.

Christ Rose

2024-10-09 15:14:07 UTC

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<ve5gmm$2j8u1$***@dont-email.me>
In the Name of Jesus
<***@outlook.com> wrote:
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Post by Christ Rose
I've now spent three hours listening to your lies, only to have you
ignore everything that gets posted. We're done here.

You both don't listen to the Lord.

They are of the world. Therefore they
speak as of the world, and the world
hears them. We are of God. He who knows
God hears us; he who is not of God does
not hear us. By this we know the spirit
of truth and the spirit of error. (1
John 4:56, NKJV)

He who knows God hears the apostles, as
recorded in Scripture.

He who is not of God does not hear what
the apostles said about the Lord in
Scripture.

That's how one discerns the spirits to
determine who is speaking the truth of
God, and who is speaking error.

1) If the world hears you, that's an
indication you are of the world, and
that you're not of God.

2) If you don't hear "us" (what the
apostles said in Scripture), that's an
indication you are not of God.

My job then, is to determine if what
you're saying is consistent with what
the world says, or consistent with what
the apostles taught in Scripture. If you
don't hear the apostles in Scripture,
you're not from God.

--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

In the Name of Jesus

2024-10-09 21:36:52 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
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In the Name of Jesus
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Post by Christ Rose
I've now spent three hours listening to your lies, only to have you
ignore everything that gets posted. We're done here.

You both don't listen to the Lord.

“They are of the world. Therefore they
speak as of the world, and the world
hears them. We are of God. He who knows
God hears us; he who is not of God does
not hear us. By this we know the spirit
of truth and the spirit of error.” (1
John 4:5–6, NKJV)
He who knows God hears the apostles, as
recorded in Scripture.

Religious waffle.

A son of God hears what the apostles heard—their Lord speaking.

Now, even though you know that to be true, you will toss it because it
does not fit with your religious image, and in the process, you toss the
LORD.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Christ Rose
He who is not of God does not hear what
the apostles said about the Lord in
Scripture.
That's how one discerns the spirits to
determine who is speaking the truth of
God, and who is speaking error.
1) If the world hears you, that's an
indication you are of the world, and
that you're not of God.
2) If you don't hear "us" (what the
apostles said in Scripture), that's an
indication you are not of God.
My job then, is to determine if what
you're saying is consistent with what
the world says, or consistent with what
the apostles taught in Scripture. If you
don't hear the apostles in Scripture,
you're not from God.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)
https://christrose.news/salvation

Robert

2024-10-09 23:45:53 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
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Post by Christ Rose
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There is the answer to my post, the anonymous one could not answer the
scripture presented, nor correlate it with the balance of Gods Word.

You are not God.

For what you are accusing me of, you have done the same many times without
regards for civility.
You break up sentences and bit parse then thus breaking up the complete
thought, and exercising your personal judgments on others.

Not only that but your top posting preceding mine. While it is not polite
Usenet behaviors, it is not forbidden. Which brings me to the pivot point of
your whining. “Poisoning your posts” is a reflection on the pride you
take for using AI and your carnal minds thoughts. And not based on the
reality of God and the communication of his Word.it is little more than a
reflection of your self-righteousness and very little is different than a
politician using scripture to establish his righteousness and “wisdom” to
his constituents, using the scriptures with little insight and understanding.

If you would like your words to have weight, then draw near to God, follow
Jesus and His Commandments to the ekklesia. Giving yourself to Him in all
manners of your life, both carnal and spiritual.

I will read the rest later to see if there is any merit to any of it, since
you invariably set the tone of what you say at the very top.

Robert

2024-10-10 03:02:54 UTC

Post by Robert
Nor have you denied “trinity” but the pagan scholars have well before the
time of Jesus, the Real Christ.

Try again, please. In its current form,
this sentence doesn't appear to make sense.

There is AI for you, I typed defined trinity. And I may have misspelled it so
like you if figured it knew what I meant and corrected it on the way out.

And you, if you were even the mildest and weakest of scholars would know that
“Elohem” is plural from the begining, and spoke of “US” as in “let
US make man in OUR image” They were ONE in unity. And that anonymous one,
is the global context of the scriptures.

Oh, and I have a surprise coming for you.

Christ Rose

2024-10-10 17:06:00 UTC

The Bible teaches that God is triune,
meaning He exists as one God in three
persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This doctrine is clearly presented
throughout Scripture as we study God's
nature. Arguing that the absence of the
terms "trinity" or "triune" in the Bible
invalidates this teaching is misguided.
The Bible firmly teaches that there is
one God, yet three distinct persons are
fully God.

1. God's Oneness

The Bible repeatedly affirms that God is
one. Deuteronomy 6:4 states, "Hear, O
Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is
one" (Deuteronomy 6:4, ESV). Isaiah
reiterates this truth: "I am the Lord,
and there is no other, besides me there
is no God" (Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity
of God is foundational, but this does
not exclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.

2. The Father is God

Scripture plainly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus calls the Father
"the only true God" in His high priestly
prayer (John 17:3, ESV). Paul affirms
this by writing, "yet for us there is
one God, the Father, from whom are all
things and for whom we exist" (1
Corinthians 8:6, ESV). The Father's
deity is unquestioned throughout the
Bible.

3. The Son is God

The deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is
made evident. In John 1:1, it says, "In
the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God"
(John 1:1, ESV). Jesus, identified as
the Word, is both distinct from the
Father and fully God. John later writes,
"the Word became flesh and dwelt among
us" (John 1:14, ESV), confirming that
Jesus is the divine Word.

Paul adds, "For in him the whole
fullness of deity dwells bodily"
(Colossians 2:9, ESV). The Father also
addresses the Son as God, saying, "Your
throne, O God, is forever and ever"
(Hebrews 1:8, ESV). If Jesus were not
fully God, His sacrifice would not atone
for sin, rendering salvation impossible.

4. The Holy Spirit is God

The Holy Spirit is also identified as
God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter rebukes
Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit,
stating, "You have not lied to man but
to God" (Acts 5:4, ESV), confirming the
Spirit's divinity.

Paul writes, "Do you not know that you
are God's temple and that God's Spirit
dwells in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV). Since the temple is God's dwelling
place and the Spirit lives in believers,
this confirms the Spirit's divine
nature. Denying His personhood and deity
undermines sanctification and blasphemes
against God.

5. Distinction of Persons

Though the Father, Son, and Spirit are
fully God, the Bible distinguishes them
as separate persons. At Jesus' baptism,
we see all three members of the Trinity.
As Jesus is baptized, "the heavens were
opened, and he saw the Spirit of God
descending like a dove and coming to
rest on him; and behold, a voice from
heaven said, 'This is my beloved Son,
with whom I am well pleased'" (Matthew
3:16-17, ESV). The Father speaks, the
Son is baptized, and the Spirit
descends, showing their distinct roles.

In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, "I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth" (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, the Son prays to
the Father, who sends the Spirit,
emphasizing their distinct actions and
relationships.

6. The Great Commission

Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
"in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular "name" and
plural persons formula shows that the
Father, Son, and Spirit share the same
divine essence. They are not three gods
but one God in three persons.

7. Pauls Trinitarian Benediction

Paul further confirms the Trinity in 2
Corinthians 13:14: "The grace of the
Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be
with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14,
ESV). This blessing reflects the
co-equal, co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit working for the
believers benefit.

Thus, the Bible reveals God as one in
essence, yet three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are
distinct yet fully and equally God.
Denying the Trinity is spiritually
dangerous.

Worshiping more than one God is
idolatry, violating God's oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). Yet, denying the full
deity of Jesus or the Holy Spirit leads
to equally dangerous errors.

Rejecting the deity of the Son and
Spirit undermines the core of the gospel
and Christ's saving work. If Jesus is
not fully God, His death could not atone
for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).

Denying the Holy Spirits divinity
blasphemes against Gods revealed truth
(Acts 5:3-4) and dismisses His crucial
role in sanctifying believers.

To reject the triune nature of God is to
reject how He has revealed Himself,
dishonor His holy name, and risk
believing a false gospel.

--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Robert

2024-10-12 17:21:13 UTC

On Oct 10, 2024, Christ Rose wrote
(Message-ID:<***@christrose.news>):

Jhn 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.

Post by Christ Rose
The Bible teaches that God is triune,

Where? No where does the numeral three. Come into play/

Only the Number one, as in Mat 19:5And said, For this cause shall a man leave
father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one
flesh?

You can argue about this all day long, but it will not make you one with God,
nor one with Jesus.

Christ Rose

2024-10-12 18:19:14 UTC

The Bible teaches God is triune, meaning
one God in three persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is
clearly revealed throughout Scripture as
we examine the nature of God. Claiming
that the absence of the words "trinity"
or "triune" in the Bible disproves the
teaching is a foolish argument. The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.

1. God’s Oneness

Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one” (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of God is
foundational, but this unity does not
preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.

2. The Father is God

The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
“the only true God” (John 17:3, ESV).
Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, “yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV). The Father’s deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.

3. The Son is God

The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1, ESV). Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.

In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, “For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus’
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, “Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.

4. The Holy Spirit is God

The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: “You have not lied to man but to
God” (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirit’s divine nature.

Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, “Do you not know that you are
God’s temple and that God’s Spirit
dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV). Since the temple is where God
dwells, and the Spirit is said to dwell
in believers, this confirms that the
Holy Spirit is God. Denying His
personhood and divinity not only
undermines sanctification but also
commits blasphemy against God.

5. Distinction of Persons

Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus’ baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, “the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, ‘This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased’” (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.

In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth” (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.

6. The Great Commission

Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
“in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular “name” yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.

7. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction

Paul’s writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: “The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believer’s good.

Thus, the Bible reveals that God is one
in essence but three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three
persons are distinct, yet fully and
equally God. Denying the Trinity carries
serious spiritual dangers.

To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry, violating the
fundamental truth of God’s oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.

By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christ’s work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).

Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Robert

2024-10-13 18:09:02 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to
the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was
it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart?
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Where in the verses above is AI Rosies teachings supported?
Nowhere.

Post by Christ Rose
To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

Where in Scriptures is this stated or supported?

Where in Scripture does it say that to deny a trinity will send someone to
hell?

Yet this is what the anonymous person teaches, while he/she/it is not willing
to state its given name.

What it does not realize is that its name in recorded in heaven as is its
teachings.

Christ Rose

2024-10-13 20:54:10 UTC

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Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:09:02 -0700
<veh2bu$p2u1$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way>
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We see here from this message ID, the exact article and content you're
replying to. Do you think that by removing the content, you make your
denials of it's existence true? Here is the restored content, so when he
pretends like it wasn't given, we will see that he is a liar:

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Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:19:14 -0500
<40b7fc5c-0f55-4ffa-9b2f-***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news>
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The Bible teaches God is triune, meaning
one God in three persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is
clearly revealed throughout Scripture as
we examine the nature of God. Claiming
that the absence of the words "trinity"
or "triune" in the Bible disproves the
teaching is a foolish argument. The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.

1. God’s Oneness

Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one” (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of God is
foundational, but this unity does not
preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.

2. The Father is God

The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
“the only true God” (John 17:3, ESV).
Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, “yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV). The Father’s deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.

3. The Son is God

The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1, ESV). Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.

In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, “For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus’
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, “Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.

4. The Holy Spirit is God

The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: “You have not lied to man but to
God” (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirit’s divine nature.

Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, “Do you not know that you are
God’s temple and that God’s Spirit
dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV). Since the temple is where God
dwells, and the Spirit is said to dwell
in believers, this confirms that the
Holy Spirit is God. Denying His
personhood and divinity not only
undermines sanctification but also
commits blasphemy against God.

5. Distinction of Persons

Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus’ baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, “the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, ‘This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased’” (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.

In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth” (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.

6. The Great Commission

Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
“in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular “name” yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.

7. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction

Paul’s writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: “The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believer’s good.

Thus, the Bible reveals that God is one
in essence but three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three
persons are distinct, yet fully and
equally God. Denying the Trinity carries
serious spiritual dangers.

To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry, violating the
fundamental truth of God’s oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.

By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christ’s work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).

Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.
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Post by Christ Rose
Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

As we will see by Robert's own citation, the Holy Spirit is in fact God,
as I claimed.

Post by Robert
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to
the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was
it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart?
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

See there? You just cited the verse that the one who lies to the Holy
Spirit lies to God. How would you imagine that denying God is God, is
not blasphemy?

Post by Robert
Where in the verses above is AI Rosies teachings supported?
Nowhere.

Where in the verse above is your denial supported? Nowhere. You think
you showing up to say "not", automatically constitutes some kind of
authoritative refutation? Scripture equates the Holy Spirit with God.
How do you think denying God is God, is not blasphemy? How are you not a
liar in your denials? Do you not seek to deceive people with the idea
that what the Bible teaches does not exist, or has not been mentioned,
when it has? You convince me you are a habitual liar, who denies reality
whenever it conflicts with the lies he wants to believe.

Post by Christ Rose
To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,
blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

Where in Scriptures is this stated or supported?

Exactly where I showed it to be:

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Sat, 12 Oct 2024 21:09:27 -0500
<a1486cad-dc68-4260-a038-***@christrose.news
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news
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1) The Bible teaches there is only one eternally self-existing God Being
("une" = one).

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one,” (Deuteronomy 6:4, ESV).

“I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God,”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV).

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of
hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god,’”
(Isaiah 44:6, ESV).

“You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and
shudder!” (James 2:19, ESV).

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus,” (1 Timothy 2:5, ESV).

2) The Bible teaches three distinct persons are that eternally
self-existing God Being ("Tri").

• The Father is the one eternally self-existing God Being.

“And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and
Jesus Christ whom you have sent,” (John 17:3, ESV).

“Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all
things and through whom we exist,” (1 Corinthians 8:6, ESV).

“One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all,”
(Ephesians 4:6, ESV).

• The Son is God, the one eternally self-existing God Being.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God,” (John 1:1, ESV).

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his
glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and
truth,” (John 1:14, ESV).

“God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ And he said, ‘Say this to the
people of Israel: I AM has sent me to you,’” (Exodus 3:14, ESV).

“Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I
am,’” (John 8:58, ESV).

“I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that
I am he you will die in your sins,” (John 8:24, ESV).

Jesus didn't "become" God or "a god," merely by association,
relationship, or unity with the Father. He always "was" God the Being.
There was never a time when Jesus did not already exist as the one,
true, God Being.

Only an infinite, eternally self-existing God can meet God's righteous
demands against our sins. To deny that Jesus is the one eternally
self-existing God Being is to promote a false gospel that leads men to
eternal damnation.

• The Holy Spirit is God, the one eternally self-existing God Being.

“But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the
Holy Spirit? ... You have not lied to man but to God,’” (Acts 5:3-4, ESV).

“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there
is freedom,” (2 Corinthians 3:17, ESV).

“How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead
works to serve the living God!” (Hebrews 9:14, ESV).

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew
28:19, ESV).

Conclusion:

• Triune means God is three distinct persons (Tri = Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit), yet that each of those persons is the one, true, eternally
self-existing God Being (une).

• If Robert denies there is only one eternally self-existing God Being,
he promotes idolatry. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says not to be deceived about
the fact that no idolater will inherit the Kingdom of God. So you can't
casually, and without consequence, deny the Bible teaching that there is
only one God Being.

• If Robert denies that the Father, Son, or Spirit has always been the
one eternally self-existing God Being, he promotes blasphemy and a false
Christ who is not able to meet God's infinite, righteous demands against
our infinite sin. This would mean he promotes a false gospel. You can't
deny that Jesus is the one, true, eternally self-existing, I AM God,
without dying in your sins.

Whenever Robert can't refute sound Bible teaching (as he can't here), he
resorts to a mind-poisoning campaign of "Guilt by Association," where he
tries to falsely associate the teaching with some pagan idea.

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Post by Robert
Where in Scripture does it say that to deny a trinity will send someone to
hell?

Exactly where I showed it to be in the Scriptures above. Evidently, the
only tool in your kit is denial. Here again for the denier of truth:

If you deny there is only one eternally self-existing God, then you
promote idolatry. No idolator will inherit eternal life (1 Corinthians
6:9-10). There's the "une" (one God Being).

If you deny that not just the Father, but Jesus Christ is also the
eternally self-existing God, John and Jesus taught you will die in your
sins (John 1:1; John 1:14; Exodus 3:14; John 8:58; John 8:24). Jesus
said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven (Matthew
12:31). There's the "Tri".

Post by Robert
Yet this is what the anonymous person teaches, while he/she/it is not willing
to state its given name.

• I remain convinced the Scriptures teach exactly what I claim.
• You've provided nothing but your own denials to support your claims of
denial. You offer no convincing explanation of Scripture which teaches
otherwise.
• You have no more verified your true identity in here than I have. Post
a picture right now of your face, with this message clearly displayed at
the side of your head. You won't. How dumb do you think people are to
think that you calling yourself "Robert" somehow verifies your true
identity? How do you expect me to believe you are not a dumb hypocrite?

Post by Robert
What it does not realize is that its name in recorded in heaven as is its
teachings.

Good.

• I believe what I post in here is consistent with what the Bible teaches.
• You offer no convincing reasons from Scripture to believe otherwise.
• Only a coward would abort what he believes God to teach, just because
a liar shows up to deny it.
• It's hard to see how your habitual denials of what the Bible plainly
teaches, and of what has been posted again and again, are not outright
lies and deliberate efforts to deceive people.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Robert

2024-10-14 00:10:57 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
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Your C&P jobs are meaningless, as are your accusations. As meaningless as
your Icons in your religious posts.
Humans recognize parroted posts “nothing new to see here!” And so they
pass on by. ;)

Your religious icon does not enhance your status. And the shame you bring to
the name of Christ, whose name you use as your nym, demeans his name.

Christ Rose

2024-10-09 01:49:44 UTC

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On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:28:20 -0700
<ve4in4$2brdb$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Robert
the anonymous one

Post a picture of your face, right now,
where we can clearly see your face and
this exact post at the side of your head
in the background. Include a link to it
in your response to this post. Prove
you're not an hypocrite.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

z***@windstream.net

2024-10-11 21:19:29 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 12:01:12 -0500, Christ Rose

Re: Why Denying the Trinity Undermines the Gospel and Distorts God's Nature

Morning, afternoon, and nighty-night,

The following Scriptures are plucked out of the
Bible to support the FALSE pagan Trinity claim with some roots from
the 4th century.

But it certainly doesn't help its case either.

The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.

Yes, as clear as mud. At least the Pagan Trinities are all distinct
entities. But the Bible God is ONE but at the same time THREE. That
fights with our God-given, built-in power of reason and logic.

1. Gods Oneness
Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of God is
foundational, but this unity does not
preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.

That is what YOU say about God, not what the Bible
says. NO TRINITY HERE

2. The Father is God
The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
the only true God (John 17:3, ESV).

"Only" means just one. Yes, the Father Jehovah (Yahweh)
is the ONLY God. No God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV).

Yes, those "all things" includes Jesus. He was the very FIRST
of God's multiple creations:

-- King James
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature:

-- King James
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans
write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;

Yes, Jesus was the BEGINNING of God's creations. Gen 1:1 says GOD did
the creating, not Jesus. The Bible says God did the creating THROUGH
Jesus. (whatever that exactly means)
NO TRINITY HERE

The Fathers deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.

Of course not. Gen 1:1 starts us off knowing that.

3. The Son is God

"Is" or "of"? Let's see.

You must be dyslexic or something. The truth of what Jesus is, comes
from an angelic visit to his mother Mary, and Jesus' own lips:

-- New King James
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit
will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the
Son of God.

-- New King James
John 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son
of God'?

"OF" is the winner!
NO TRINITY HERE

The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God (John
1:1, ESV)

Excellent proof if it were a true translation of Greek grammar. Of
course this is not your fault if it isn't. Is there a difference?

That is Donald Trump
That is the Donald Trump

It is similar in Greek. This comes from Professor of religion and
translator William Barclay. He basically said, at John 1:1 the Greek
word "theos" (god) is found twice. The first time it has the Greek
word "ho" (the) before it. So it reads in Greek "ho theos" (the God).
"Ho" (the) before the word makes it a definite noun. In this case an
identity; God.

The second "theos" does NOT have "ho" before it, making it more like
an adjective than an identity.

William Barclay writes:

Now normally, except for special reasons, Greek nouns always have the
definite article in front of them, . . . When a Greek noun has not got
the article in front of it, it becomes rather a description than an
identification, and has the character of an adjective rather than of a
noun. We can see exactly the same in English. If I say: James is the
man, then I identify James with some definite man whom I have in
mind; but, if I say: James is man, then I am simply describing James
as human, and the word man has become a description and not an
identification." (Many Witnesses, One Lord (1963), pages 23, 24.)

So IN CONCLUSION, when you see John 1:1 read "Jesus is God", you see a
translator reading from his beliefs, not from Bible truths.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.

Yes, Jesus has divine qualities. But,
NO TRINITY HERE

In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily (Colossians 2:9, ESV)

Paul would just come out and say "Jesus is God", if he was. but he
can't be, otherwise Paul would be DEAD. Why?

-- New King James
Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall
see Me, and live.''

Many people saw 'God the Son', but continued to live! Something is
amiss.

NO TRINITY HERE

. Jesus
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever (Hebrews 1:8, ESV).

That's a nice try, but a bad translation. Notice:

Concerning Hebrews 1:8. Is the word "God" in this verse referring to
Jesus or God Almighty? The Apostle Paul here is quoting Ps 45:3-7 and
then applying verses 6,7 to Jesus. Notice the context by verse 9
"therefore God, your God" shows that the person in verse 8 is one who
is anointed by God and one who worships God.
NO TRINITY HERE

Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.

Let's see, what's the word used most often? Nonsense.
NO TRINITY HERE

4. The Holy Spirit is God
The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: You have not lied to man but to
God (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirits divine nature.

The Bible does not teach that the Holy Spirit it is a real person, or
any part of a triad God. The Bible words for "spirit" come from
"ruach" (Hebrew) and "pneuma" (Greek). One of the definitions of
"pneuma" is:

"a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze". (Strong's
Concordance)

Thus it is 'a force in motion' like a breeze etc.

And based on the context etc, it is in this way that the Scriptures
apply God's Holy Spirit. It is the all-powerful moving force that He
has to accomplish His will, whether it is bringing about creation, or
fulfilling prophecies, etc..

Thus the Bible does not give the Holy Spirit a personal name. God's
name translated into English is "Jehovah". (or as some prefer, its
transliterated form; "Yahweh". See Ps 83:18, KJV) God's son's name is
"Jesus". (Mt 1:21) If the Holy Spirit was really a person, why no
personal name like the other two?
NO TRINITY HERE

Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, Do you not know that you are
Gods temple and that Gods Spirit
dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV).

You just said above that the Holy Spirit is a person. Then ALL
Christians have no-named persons inside of them? I have heard of
"split personalities" but not "split bodies".
NO TRINITY HERE

ince the temple is where God
dwells, and the Spirit is said to dwell
in believers, this confirms that the
Holy Spirit is God. Denying His
personhood and divinity not only
undermines sanctification but also
commits blasphemy against God.

The only blasphemy against God here is the twisting of the Scriptures.

5. Distinction of Persons
Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.

Here is that logic back again. God is one God of three people. Yet all
three are distinct personalities.
This is a mental disease. Used to be called "Multiple Personalities
Disorder" (MPD). Now called "Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)".
According to most of the churches, God has it bad.
NO TRINITY HERE

In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.

Yes, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit a "Helper" here. And the "Spirit of
truth". But again, the Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME. Humans and angels and
God and Jesus have names. Why? Because they are intelligent beings.
Then the Holy Spirit is NOT a person.

Yes, the Bible personifies some things occasionally, including the
Holy Spirit. For example, "He" does this and that. And it says WISDOM
has children:

-- New King James
Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified by all her children.'' >

Also two Hebrew sisters represented Samaria and Jerusalem. (see Ezek
23:4 KJV)

So, what does the word "spirit" mean? The Bible's use of "spirit"
(Hebrew "ruach" and Greek "pneuma") can mean:

(1) wind. Ex 10:13, "...the LORD made an east wind [ruach] blow across
the land...

(2) the vital force in living creatures. Psalm 146:4:

-- New American Standard
Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knows that the breath [ruach] of man ascends
upward.....

(3) spirit persons. Such as God and his angels. See Mt 8:16; Joh 4:24;
1 Ki 22:21.

(4) God's active force. Commonly called Holy Spirit. See He 2:4.

-- New King James
Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders,
with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit [pneuma],
according to His own will?
NO TRINITY HERE

6. The Great Commission
Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular name yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.
7. Pauls Trinitarian Benediction
Pauls writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believers good.

There is a word for such information. But first I will get my apology
out of the way. SORRY.
That word is POPPYCOCK.

Hey, did you know that Paul added a person to the Trinity making it
FOUR? How so?
Well, in the first one Paul names 3, and you call that a Trinity. Then
be AMAZED! Paul names 3 again, but adds a new one; Timothy!!!

-- New King James
1 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

NOW GOD IS A FOURSOME.
NO TRINITY HERE

Thus, the Bible reveals that God is one
in essence but three in person: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit. These three
persons are distinct, yet fully and
equally God. Denying the Trinity carries
serious spiritual dangers.

As well as repercussions from the tooth fairy.

To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry,

Yet you call Jesus "God the Son". So according to you, all who worship
the God Jesus commit idolatry.

violating the
fundamental truth of Gods oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.

Yes, this one also angers the Leprechauns and the goblins.

By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christs work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).

Well, since he is not fully God, his sacrifice must have been
sufficient. He himself identified what he was, just like the angel did
to Mary. Jesus said, I am "God's Son". NOT THE IDOLATROUS 'GOD THE
SON'.

Denying the Holy Spirits divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

It still plays out its roll of "transforming
and sanctifying believers." And much more, like creating this awesome
universe. It is God's FORCE for accomplishing His Will.

To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,

God has clearly revealed Himself:

-- New King James
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

- King James
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

- New King James
Mark 12:32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have
spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.

- New King James
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, of
whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Looks like Paul was showing totalities here. SO WHERE'S THE HOLY
SPIRIT to complete the Trinity?

blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

They say three strikes and you're out. YOU ARE OUT!.
NO TRINITY HERE OR ANYWHERE

Sincerely James.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 12:01:12 -0500, Christ Rose

Re: Why Denying the Trinity Undermines the Gospel and Distorts God's Nature

Morning, afternoon, and nighty-night,
The following Scriptures are plucked out of the
Bible to support the FALSE pagan Trinity claim with some roots from
the 4th century.

But it certainly doesn't help its case either.

The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.

Yes, as clear as mud. At least the Pagan Trinities are all distinct
entities. But the Bible God is ONE but at the same time THREE. That
fights with our God-given, built-in power of reason and logic.

That is what YOU say about God, not what the Bible
says. NO TRINITY HERE

2. The Father is God
The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
the only true God (John 17:3, ESV).

"Only" means just one. Yes, the Father Jehovah (Yahweh)
is the ONLY God. No God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV).

Yes, those "all things" includes Jesus. He was the very FIRST
-- King James
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
-- King James
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans
write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;
Yes, Jesus was the BEGINNING of God's creations. Gen 1:1 says GOD did
the creating, not Jesus. The Bible says God did the creating THROUGH
Jesus. (whatever that exactly means)
NO TRINITY HERE

The Fathers deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.

Of course not. Gen 1:1 starts us off knowing that.

3. The Son is God

"Is" or "of"? Let's see.
You must be dyslexic or something. The truth of what Jesus is, comes
-- New King James
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit
will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the
Son of God.
-- New King James
John 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son
of God'?
"OF" is the winner!
NO TRINITY HERE

The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God (John
1:1, ESV)

Excellent proof if it were a true translation of Greek grammar. Of
course this is not your fault if it isn't. Is there a difference?
That is Donald Trump
That is the Donald Trump
It is similar in Greek. This comes from Professor of religion and
translator William Barclay. He basically said, at John 1:1 the Greek
word "theos" (god) is found twice. The first time it has the Greek
word "ho" (the) before it. So it reads in Greek "ho theos" (the God).
"Ho" (the) before the word makes it a definite noun. In this case an
identity; God.
The second "theos" does NOT have "ho" before it, making it more like
an adjective than an identity.
Now normally, except for special reasons, Greek nouns always have the
definite article in front of them, . . . When a Greek noun has not got
the article in front of it, it becomes rather a description than an
identification, and has the character of an adjective rather than of a
noun. We can see exactly the same in English. If I say: James is the
man, then I identify James with some definite man whom I have in
mind; but, if I say: James is man, then I am simply describing James
as human, and the word man has become a description and not an
identification." (Many Witnesses, One Lord (1963), pages 23, 24.)
So IN CONCLUSION, when you see John 1:1 read "Jesus is God", you see a
translator reading from his beliefs, not from Bible truths.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Yes, Jesus has divine qualities. But,
NO TRINITY HERE

In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily (Colossians 2:9, ESV)

Paul would just come out and say "Jesus is God", if he was. but he
can't be, otherwise Paul would be DEAD. Why?
-- New King James
Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall
see Me, and live.''
Many people saw 'God the Son', but continued to live! Something is
amiss.
NO TRINITY HERE

. Jesus
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever (Hebrews 1:8, ESV).

Concerning Hebrews 1:8. Is the word "God" in this verse referring to
Jesus or God Almighty? The Apostle Paul here is quoting Ps 45:3-7 and
then applying verses 6,7 to Jesus. Notice the context by verse 9
"therefore God, your God" shows that the person in verse 8 is one who
is anointed by God and one who worships God.
NO TRINITY HERE

Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.

Let's see, what's the word used most often? Nonsense.
NO TRINITY HERE

The Bible does not teach that the Holy Spirit it is a real person, or
any part of a triad God. The Bible words for "spirit" come from
"ruach" (Hebrew) and "pneuma" (Greek). One of the definitions of
"a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze". (Strong's
Concordance)
Thus it is 'a force in motion' like a breeze etc.
And based on the context etc, it is in this way that the Scriptures
apply God's Holy Spirit. It is the all-powerful moving force that He
has to accomplish His will, whether it is bringing about creation, or
fulfilling prophecies, etc..
Thus the Bible does not give the Holy Spirit a personal name. God's
name translated into English is "Jehovah". (or as some prefer, its
transliterated form; "Yahweh". See Ps 83:18, KJV) God's son's name is
"Jesus". (Mt 1:21) If the Holy Spirit was really a person, why no
personal name like the other two?
NO TRINITY HERE

Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, Do you not know that you are
Gods temple and that Gods Spirit
dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV).

You just said above that the Holy Spirit is a person. Then ALL
Christians have no-named persons inside of them? I have heard of
"split personalities" but not "split bodies".
NO TRINITY HERE

The only blasphemy against God here is the twisting of the Scriptures.

Yes, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit a "Helper" here. And the "Spirit of
truth". But again, the Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME. Humans and angels and
God and Jesus have names. Why? Because they are intelligent beings.
Then the Holy Spirit is NOT a person.
Yes, the Bible personifies some things occasionally, including the
Holy Spirit. For example, "He" does this and that. And it says WISDOM
-- New King James
Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified by all her children.'' >
Also two Hebrew sisters represented Samaria and Jerusalem. (see Ezek
23:4 KJV)
So, what does the word "spirit" mean? The Bible's use of "spirit"
(1) wind. Ex 10:13, "...the LORD made an east wind [ruach] blow across
the land...
-- New American Standard
Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knows that the breath [ruach] of man ascends
upward.....
(3) spirit persons. Such as God and his angels. See Mt 8:16; Joh 4:24;
1 Ki 22:21.
(4) God's active force. Commonly called Holy Spirit. See He 2:4.
-- New King James
Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders,
with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit [pneuma],
according to His own will?
NO TRINITY HERE

There is a word for such information. But first I will get my apology
out of the way. SORRY.
That word is POPPYCOCK.
Hey, did you know that Paul added a person to the Trinity making it
FOUR? How so?
Well, in the first one Paul names 3, and you call that a Trinity. Then
be AMAZED! Paul names 3 again, but adds a new one; Timothy!!!
-- New King James
1 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
NOW GOD IS A FOURSOME.
NO TRINITY HERE

As well as repercussions from the tooth fairy.

To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry,

Yet you call Jesus "God the Son". So according to you, all who worship
the God Jesus commit idolatry.

violating the
fundamental truth of Gods oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.

Yes, this one also angers the Leprechauns and the goblins.

Denying the Holy Spirits divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

It still plays out its roll of "transforming
and sanctifying believers." And much more, like creating this awesome
universe. It is God's FORCE for accomplishing His Will.

To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,

-- New King James
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
- King James
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments
- New King James
Mark 12:32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have
spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
- New King James
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, of
whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
Looks like Paul was showing totalities here. SO WHERE'S THE HOLY
SPIRIT to complete the Trinity?

blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

They say three strikes and you're out. YOU ARE OUT!.
NO TRINITY HERE OR ANYWHERE

James' rejection of the Trinity and
claim that it is a false, pagan concept
fails to engage with the full biblical
witness. Lets break down the core
issues in his argument.

1. Gods Oneness and the Trinity

James argues that the doctrine of the
Trinity contradicts the oneness of God,
citing Deuteronomy 6:4 ("The Lord our
God, the Lord is one"). However, this
passage affirms monotheism, which
Trinitarians fully embrace. The Trinity
teaches that God is one in essence, but
three in person: Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. This is not illogical when we
acknowledge that God's nature transcends
human comprehension (Isaiah 55:8-9). The
Bible presents one God, but it also
reveals distinctions between the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

2. Jesus as the Firstborn of Creation?

James cites Colossians 1:15 ("firstborn
of all creation") to argue that Jesus
was created. However, firstborn
(Greek: *prototokos*) refers not to
Christs origin but to His preeminence.
In biblical terms, the firstborn held a
place of superiority and authority. This
is clear from the very next verses where
Paul writes that by him all things were
created (Colossians 1:16-17). Christ
was not created; He is the Creator. His
eternal nature is echoed in John 1:1,
where the Word is described as being
with God and as being God from the
beginning.

3. The Nature of John 1:1

James claims that the Greek construction
of John 1:1 does not call Jesus God in
the absolute sense. However, his
reliance on William Barclays view is
flawed. The lack of a definite article
before "God" in the phrase the Word was
God does not make the term descriptive
or lesser. In Greek, this construction
(anarthrous predicate nominative)
emphasizes nature and essence. John 1:1
is affirming that the Word (Jesus)
shares the same divine nature as God the
Father.

4. Jesus Deity and the Claim of
Blasphemy

James repeatedly insists that Jesus is
only the Son of God, not God Himself.
However, Scripture consistently presents
Jesus as fully divine. Jesus receives
worship (Matthew 14:33), forgives sins
(Mark 2:5-7), and claims unity with the
Father (John 10:30). When Thomas calls
Jesus My Lord and my God (John 20:28),
Jesus does not correct him. In Hebrews
1:8, God the Father directly calls the
Son God (Your throne, O God, is
forever). This is not a
misinterpretation; it is a clear
biblical assertion of Christs divinity.

5. Jesus' Visibility and Exodus 33:20

James suggests that because people saw
Jesus, He cannot be fully God, citing
Exodus 33:20 ("You cannot see My face,
for no man shall see Me and live"). This
confuses two aspects of God's
revelation. Jesus is God made flesh
(John 1:14). The glory of God in its
fullest expression remains hidden from
humanity (1 Timothy 6:16), but God, in
His mercy, took on human nature in
Christ so that He could dwell among us.
Jesus incarnation does not negate His
divinity but demonstrates Gods
willingness to bridge the gap between
sinful humanity and Himself.

6. The Holy Spirits Personhood

James reduces the Holy Spirit to an
impersonal force, referencing the Hebrew
and Greek words for "spirit." However,
the Bible repeatedly personifies the
Holy Spirit, ascribing to Him intellect
(1 Corinthians 2:10-11), will (1
Corinthians 12:11), and emotions
(Ephesians 4:30). In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
equates lying to the Holy Spirit with
lying to God, which shows the Spirits
divinity. The Spirit is not a mere force
but the third person of the Godhead who
sanctifies and indwells believers (John
14:26; Romans 8:11).

7. The Great Commission and the Trinity

James dismisses the Trinitarian formula
in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus commands
baptism in the name of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. This
clearly shows the unity of the three
persons of the Godhead. The singular
name points to their shared essence,
while the three personsFather, Son, and
Holy Spiritare distinct. Jesus places
Himself and the Spirit on equal footing
with the Father, reaffirming their
co-equality.

8. Pauls Trinitarian Benediction

James argues that Paul mentions people
other than the Trinity, trying to imply
Paul didnt teach the Trinity. However,
Pauls benediction in 2 Corinthians
13:14, which invokes the Lord Jesus
Christ, God the Father, and the Holy
Spirit, reflects the triune nature of
God. There is no "fourth" person in
Paul's theology. Referring to Timothy or
other believers in various epistles
doesnt add them to the Godhead; it
simply acknowledges their role as Pauls
partners in ministry.

Conclusion

Denying the Trinity fundamentally
distorts Gods self-revelation.
Throughout Scripture, we see one God who
reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. While the word Trinity is not
found in the Bible, the concept is woven
into its fabric. Rejecting the deity of
Jesus and the Holy Spirit directly
contradicts the gospel. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice would not be
sufficient to atone for sin (Hebrews
9:14). If the Holy Spirit is not God,
then His work of sanctification is
undermined (Romans 8:11). Ultimately,
embracing the Trinity is essential for
understanding the fullness of Gods plan
for salvation and the unity of His
divine nature.

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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 12:01:12 -0500, Christ Rose

Re: Why Denying the Trinity Undermines the Gospel and Distorts God's Nature

Morning, afternoon, and nighty-night,
The following Scriptures are plucked out of the
Bible to support the FALSE pagan Trinity claim with some roots from
the 4th century.

But it certainly doesn't help its case either.

The
Bible clearly teaches that there is only
one God, yet that three distinct persons
are fully God.

Yes, as clear as mud. At least the Pagan Trinities are all distinct
entities. But the Bible God is ONE but at the same time THREE. That
fights with our God-given, built-in power of reason and logic.

1. God’s Oneness
Scripture consistently affirms that
there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4
declares, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one” (Deut 6:4, ESV).
The same truth is echoed by the prophet
Isaiah, “I am the Lord, and there is no
other, besides me there is no God”
(Isaiah 45:5, ESV). The unity of God is
foundational, but this unity does not
preclude the existence of distinct
persons within the Godhead.

That is what YOU say about God, not what the Bible
says. NO TRINITY HERE

2. The Father is God
The Bible clearly teaches that the
Father is God. Jesus, in His high
priestly prayer, refers to the Father as
“the only true God” (John 17:3, ESV).

"Only" means just one. Yes, the Father Jehovah (Yahweh)
is the ONLY God. No God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Paul also emphasizes this when he
writes, “yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist” (1 Corinthians 8:6,
ESV).

The Father’s deity is never in
question throughout Scripture.

Of course not. Gen 1:1 starts us off knowing that.

3. The Son is God

The deity of Jesus Christ, the Son, is
explicit. In John 1:1, we read, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1, ESV)

Excellent proof if it were a true translation of Greek grammar. Of
course this is not your fault if it isn't. Is there a difference?
That is Donald Trump
That is the Donald Trump
It is similar in Greek. This comes from Professor of religion and
translator William Barclay. He basically said, at John 1:1 the Greek
word "theos" (god) is found twice. The first time it has the Greek
word "ho" (the) before it. So it reads in Greek "ho theos" (the God).
"Ho" (the) before the word makes it a definite noun. In this case an
identity; God.
The second "theos" does NOT have "ho" before it, making it more like
an adjective than an identity.
“Now normally, except for special reasons, Greek nouns always have the
definite article in front of them, . . . When a Greek noun has not got
the article in front of it, it becomes rather a description than an
identification, and has the character of an adjective rather than of a
noun. We can see exactly the same in English. If I say: ‘James is the
man’, then I identify James with some definite man whom I have in
mind; but, if I say: ‘James is man’, then I am simply describing James
as human, and the word man has become a description and not an
identification." (—Many Witnesses, One Lord (1963), pages 23, 24.)
So IN CONCLUSION, when you see John 1:1 read "Jesus is God", you see a
translator reading from his beliefs, not from Bible truths.
NO TRINITY HERE.

Jesus, as the Word, is not
only distinct from the Father, but also
fully God. Later in the same chapter, we
see, “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14, ESV), identifying
Jesus as this divine Word.

Yes, Jesus has divine qualities. But,
NO TRINITY HERE

In Colossians 2:9, Paul states, “For in
him the whole fullness of deity dwells
bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV)

Paul would just come out and say "Jesus is God", if he was. but he
can't be, otherwise Paul would be DEAD. Why?
-- New King James
Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall
see Me, and live.''
Many people saw 'God the Son', but continued to live! Something is
amiss.
NO TRINITY HERE

. Jesus’
deity is further confirmed in Hebrews
1:8, where the Father addresses the Son,
saying, “Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, ESV).

Christ is
fully and eternally God. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice could not atone
for sin, making salvation impossible.

Let's see, what's the word used most often? Nonsense.
NO TRINITY HERE

4. The Holy Spirit is God
The Holy Spirit is also clearly
presented as God. In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy
Spirit and equates this lie with lying
to God: “You have not lied to man but to
God” (Acts 5:4, ESV). This reveals the
Spirit’s divine nature.

The Bible does not teach that the Holy Spirit it is a real person, or
any part of a triad God. The Bible words for "spirit" come from
"ruach" (Hebrew) and "pneuma" (Greek). One of the definitions of
"a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze". (Strong's
Concordance)
Thus it is 'a force in motion' like a breeze etc.
And based on the context etc, it is in this way that the Scriptures
apply God's Holy Spirit. It is the all-powerful moving force that He
has to accomplish His will, whether it is bringing about creation, or
fulfilling prophecies, etc..
Thus the Bible does not give the Holy Spirit a personal name. God's
name translated into English is "Jehovah". (or as some prefer, its
transliterated form; "Yahweh". See Ps 83:18, KJV) God's son's name is
"Jesus". (Mt 1:21) If the Holy Spirit was really a person, why no
personal name like the other two?
NO TRINITY HERE

Moreover, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians
3:16, “Do you not know that you are
God’s temple and that God’s Spirit
dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16,
ESV).

You just said above that the Holy Spirit is a person. Then ALL
Christians have no-named persons inside of them? I have heard of
"split personalities" but not "split bodies".
NO TRINITY HERE

The only blasphemy against God here is the twisting of the Scriptures.

5. Distinction of Persons
Although the Father, Son, and Spirit are
all fully God, Scripture clearly
distinguishes them as separate persons.
At Jesus’ baptism, we see all three
persons of the Trinity at work. As Jesus
emerges from the water, “the heavens
were opened to him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove and
coming to rest on him; and behold, a
voice from heaven said, ‘This is my
beloved Son, with whom I am well
pleased’” (Matthew 3:16-17, ESV). The
Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and
the Spirit descends, demonstrating the
distinct roles and persons of the Trinity.

In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will
ask the Father, and he will give you
another Helper, to be with you forever,
even the Spirit of truth” (John
14:16-17, ESV). Here, Jesus (the Son)
prays to the Father, who then sends the
Holy Spirit. Each person is distinct in
their actions and relationship, yet they
work in perfect unity.

Yes, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit a "Helper" here. And the "Spirit of
truth". But again, the Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME. Humans and angels and
God and Jesus have names. Why? Because they are intelligent beings.
Then the Holy Spirit is NOT a person.
Yes, the Bible personifies some things occasionally, including the
Holy Spirit. For example, "He" does this and that. And it says WISDOM
-- New King James
Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified by all her children.'' >
Also two Hebrew sisters represented Samaria and Jerusalem. (see Ezek
23:4 KJV)
So, what does the word "spirit" mean? The Bible's use of "spirit"
(1) wind. Ex 10:13, "...the LORD made an east wind [ruach] blow across
the land...
-- New American Standard
Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knows that the breath [ruach] of man ascends
upward.....
(3) spirit persons. Such as God and his angels. See Mt 8:16; Joh 4:24;
1 Ki 22:21.
(4) God's active force. Commonly called Holy Spirit. See He 2:4.
-- New King James
Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders,
with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit [pneuma],
according to His own will?
NO TRINITY HERE

6. The Great Commission
Jesus commands His disciples to baptize
“in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew
28:19, ESV). This singular “name” yet
plural persons formula demonstrates that
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share
the same divine nature. They are not
three gods, but one God in three
persons, unified in essence.
7. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction
Paul’s writings also affirm the triune
nature of God. In 2 Corinthians 13:14,
he offers a blessing that invokes all
three persons of the Trinity: “The grace
of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of
God and the fellowship of the Holy
Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians
13:14, ESV). This prayer reflects the
co-equal and co-eternal nature of the
Father, Son, and Spirit, working
together for the believer’s good.

There is a word for such information. But first I will get my apology
out of the way. SORRY.
That word is POPPYCOCK.
Hey, did you know that Paul added a person to the Trinity making it
FOUR? How so?
Well, in the first one Paul names 3, and you call that a Trinity. Then
be AMAZED! Paul names 3 again, but adds a new one; Timothy!!!
-- New King James
1 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
NOW GOD IS A FOURSOME.
NO TRINITY HERE

As well as repercussions from the tooth fairy.

To worship more than one God is to
commit idolatry,

Yet you call Jesus "God the Son". So according to you, all who worship
the God Jesus commit idolatry.

violating the
fundamental truth of God’s oneness
(Deuteronomy 6:4). However, denying that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are fully God
leads to an equally grave error.

Yes, this one also angers the Leprechauns and the goblins.

By rejecting the deity of the Son and
the Spirit, you undermine the very heart
of the gospel and Christ’s work of
salvation. If Jesus is not fully God,
His sacrifice would not be sufficient to
atone for our sins (Hebrews 9:14).

Denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity
blasphemes against God's clear
revelation (Acts 5:3-4) and disregards
the Spirit's vital role in transforming
and sanctifying believers.

It still plays out its roll of "transforming
and sanctifying believers." And much more, like creating this awesome
universe. It is God's FORCE for accomplishing His Will.

To deny the triune nature of God, is to
deny God as He has revealed Himself,

blaspheme His holy name, and risk
trusting in a false gospel.

They say three strikes and you're out. YOU ARE OUT!.
NO TRINITY HERE OR ANYWHERE

James' rejection of the Trinity and
claim that it is a false, pagan concept
fails to engage with the full biblical
witness. Let’s break down the core
issues in his argument.
1. God’s Oneness and the Trinity
James argues that the doctrine of the
Trinity contradicts the oneness of God,
citing Deuteronomy 6:4 ("The Lord our
God, the Lord is one"). However, this
passage affirms monotheism, which
Trinitarians fully embrace. The Trinity
teaches that God is one in essence, but
three in person: Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. This is not illogical when we
acknowledge that God's nature transcends
human comprehension (Isaiah 55:8-9). The
Bible presents one God, but it also
reveals distinctions between the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
2. Jesus as the Firstborn of Creation?
James cites Colossians 1:15 ("firstborn
of all creation") to argue that Jesus
was created. However, “firstborn”
(Greek: *prototokos*) refers not to
Christ’s origin but to His preeminence.
In biblical terms, the firstborn held a
place of superiority and authority. This
is clear from the very next verses where
Paul writes that “by him all things were
created” (Colossians 1:16-17). Christ
was not created; He is the Creator. His
eternal nature is echoed in John 1:1,
where the Word is described as being
with God and as being God from the
beginning.
3. The Nature of John 1:1
James claims that the Greek construction
of John 1:1 does not call Jesus God in
the absolute sense. However, his
reliance on William Barclay’s view is
flawed. The lack of a definite article
before "God" in the phrase “the Word was
God” does not make the term descriptive
or lesser. In Greek, this construction
(anarthrous predicate nominative)
emphasizes nature and essence. John 1:1
is affirming that the Word (Jesus)
shares the same divine nature as God the
Father.
4. Jesus’ Deity and the Claim of
Blasphemy
James repeatedly insists that Jesus is
only the Son of God, not God Himself.
However, Scripture consistently presents
Jesus as fully divine. Jesus receives
worship (Matthew 14:33), forgives sins
(Mark 2:5-7), and claims unity with the
Father (John 10:30). When Thomas calls
Jesus “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28),
Jesus does not correct him. In Hebrews
1:8, God the Father directly calls the
Son “God” (“Your throne, O God, is
forever”). This is not a
misinterpretation; it is a clear
biblical assertion of Christ’s divinity.
5. Jesus' Visibility and Exodus 33:20
James suggests that because people saw
Jesus, He cannot be fully God, citing
Exodus 33:20 ("You cannot see My face,
for no man shall see Me and live"). This
confuses two aspects of God's
revelation. Jesus is God made flesh
(John 1:14). The glory of God in its
fullest expression remains hidden from
humanity (1 Timothy 6:16), but God, in
His mercy, took on human nature in
Christ so that He could dwell among us.
Jesus’ incarnation does not negate His
divinity but demonstrates God’s
willingness to bridge the gap between
sinful humanity and Himself.
6. The Holy Spirit’s Personhood
James reduces the Holy Spirit to an
impersonal force, referencing the Hebrew
and Greek words for "spirit." However,
the Bible repeatedly personifies the
Holy Spirit, ascribing to Him intellect
(1 Corinthians 2:10-11), will (1
Corinthians 12:11), and emotions
(Ephesians 4:30). In Acts 5:3-4, Peter
equates lying to the Holy Spirit with
lying to God, which shows the Spirit’s
divinity. The Spirit is not a mere force
but the third person of the Godhead who
sanctifies and indwells believers (John
14:26; Romans 8:11).
7. The Great Commission and the Trinity
James dismisses the Trinitarian formula
in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus commands
baptism “in the name of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” This
clearly shows the unity of the three
persons of the Godhead. The singular
“name” points to their shared essence,
while the three persons—Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit—are distinct. Jesus places
Himself and the Spirit on equal footing
with the Father, reaffirming their
co-equality.
8. Paul’s Trinitarian Benediction
James argues that Paul mentions people
other than the Trinity, trying to imply
Paul didn’t teach the Trinity. However,
Paul’s benediction in 2 Corinthians
13:14, which invokes the Lord Jesus
Christ, God the Father, and the Holy
Spirit, reflects the triune nature of
God. There is no "fourth" person in
Paul's theology. Referring to Timothy or
other believers in various epistles
doesn’t add them to the Godhead; it
simply acknowledges their role as Paul’s
partners in ministry.
Conclusion
Denying the Trinity fundamentally
distorts God’s self-revelation.
Throughout Scripture, we see one God who
reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. While the word “Trinity” is not
found in the Bible, the concept is woven
into its fabric.

Not found in the bible, but now it is okay because I discern that it is
okay. :-). Oh, the perfect sinless sinner perfectionist! :-).

Lies.

1) The Bible teaches there is only one God Being. If you deny that,
you're an idolator.
2) The Bible teaches the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. They are
three distinct persons, yet one God. If you deny any of them is God,
you're a blasphemer who promotes a false gospel.

Post by Christ Rose
Rejecting the deity of
Jesus and the Holy Spirit directly
contradicts the gospel. If Jesus is not
fully God, His sacrifice would not be
sufficient to atone for sin (Hebrews
9:14). If the Holy Spirit is not God,
then His work of sanctification is
undermined (Romans 8:11). Ultimately,
embracing the Trinity is essential for
understanding the fullness of God’s plan
for salvation and the unity of His
divine nature.

You see, John, in never ends with these stubborn, stiff-necked, 'sinning
against the Lord' people. One sinner telling another sinner they are
wrong, and they are both unregenerate.

Unsubstantiated ad-hom.

Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are
defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and
conscience is defiled.

Exactly. And who's the one who spends all day calling everyone but
himself a sinner? You are.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him,
being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

--You've convinced yourself (not anyone else), that you never sin. It
just shows you're self-deceived and don't have the truth or the word of
God in you (1 John 1:8-9).

Nothing they do is right, but they will not repent!

Projection. This shows a lack of faith in Christ's propitiating
atonement, since you spend all day trying to make a vicarious atonement
for your own sins, out of others.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

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