Hi Fay and all,
Let us look at the question again, and include a few verses which may help
to see were I am coming from.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good
save one, even God.
Matt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Matt 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt
tree bring forth good fruit.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but
Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith
in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
1Pe 1:23 having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.
Col 1:26 even the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but
now hath it been manifested to his saints,
Col 1:27 to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the
glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope
Col 1:28 whom we proclaim, admonishing every man and teaching every man in
all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ;
We know from the verses taken from Matthew, that no man is good, as only God
Before Christ we are all in Adam (the corrupt tree) the corrupt tree cannot
bring forth good fruit.
In the world we tend to judge a person as good or bad, by comparing them
against other people in the world.
Man is the yard stick for measuring against.
The fall down is that when we become Christian we still use these same
(worldly) methods, when judging one another.
The thing is that before becoming a Christian, there was no good in me, and
after becoming a Christian there is still no good in me (that is, in my
The only good thing in me is Christ (the good tree) who cannot bring forth
So to say there is a 'bad' Christian, is to say that Christ is not the good
tree, or that the good tree can bring forth evil fruit.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is
good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would
not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Post by FP
I think there is a point where we become obedient to Him. I believe you can
be a Christian, and if you have not made Him Lord of your life, e.g., still
living a lot for self and not molded by the Master's Hand into
Christ-likeness--not much evidence of the fruits (patience, etc), one could
appear to be a "bad" Christian. But rather than a "bad" Christian, I really
think it is where one is on their walk/journey with Christ. I also believe
that as we keep seeking, asking, knocking, we will continue to find. And
the greatest thing is He never gives up on us...no matter how unlovely we
I look forward to the discussion surrounding your post.
Post by Victor
I have often heard Christians say of other Christians, that 'he' or
Post by FP
Post by Victor
not a very good Christian.
I ask the question, Is there such a thing as a 'bad' Christian?
Are they any 'good' Christians, and 'bad Christians' or just Christians?
Personally, I say that there is no such thing as a 'bad' Christian, but I
would like to hear some of your thoughts.