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Race Relations
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Tracey12
2013-07-22 16:41:42 UTC
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Race Relations

Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.

It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.

Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-22 17:45:15 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC), Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
He was guilty of targeting, stalking, chasing, confronting,
assaulting, and murdering somone NOT committing any crime or activity.

The Zimmerloon was the aggressor.
Post by Tracey12
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SANFORD, Fla. -- Neighborhood Watch evokes scenes of get-to-know-you
barbecues and folks keeping an eye on neighbors' homes while they're
out of town or working late.

Until last month, it did not conjure images of teenagers being shot to
death by the people who run a program designed to help keep
communities safe.

Then George Zimmerman, who coordinated the Neighborhood Watch at a
town-house community in Sanford, shot and killed unarmed Miami Gardens
high-school student Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, sparking a collective
rage that has spread nationwide and beyond.

Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs'
Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.
First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.

"If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and
you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way
beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's
offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons --
though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a
concealed-weapons permit.

"There's no reason to carry a gun," Tutko said.

Police said Zimmerman was running an errand in his SUV -- with his gun
-- when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from 7-Eleven about 7:15
p.m. Zimmerman called police to report Trayvon as suspicious, and
although a dispatcher said he didn't need to follow the teen, the two
got into a scuffle.
Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun, officers
said. The 17-year-old died steps from the home of his father's
fiancee, where he had been visiting. Zimmerman claimed self-defense
and was not arrested. Because of public outrage, a special prosecutor,
the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI are investigating.
Now, with Neighborhood Watch in the spotlight, organizers want people
to know what it is -- and what it is not.
"I'm disappointed that people are trying to put blame onto the program
when it's not the program's fault," said Wendy Dorival, who
coordinates volunteer programs, including Neighborhood Watch, for the
Sanford police. "Neighborhood Watch is not what took his life away."
The program was created in 1972 by the National Sheriffs' Association
to help prevent crime as people relocated more often and more women
entered the work force, loosening community ties. After the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks, the initiative expanded to include emergency
response, terrorism awareness and disaster preparedness.
Its core mission has not changed, however: to build a sense of
togetherness so people care enough to look after one another.
Some Neighborhood Watch groups patrol their communities. Others simply
observe in the course of their daily routine and report anything out
of the ordinary to law enforcement.
The Neighborhood Watch at Retreat at Twin Lakes, where Zimmerman lived
and was coordinator, was formed in September, Dorival said. It is not
registered with the national group, but there is no registration
requirement. The Sanford Police Department provides training and
community signs, and informs residents about crime trends and
prevention.
Zimmerman raised no red flags during an organizational meeting Sept.
22, and no one had complained about him before the shooting, Dorival
said.
Sanford and the Volusia County Sheriff's Office have another volunteer
program called Citizens on Patrol. In Volusia, those volunteers ride
two to a Sheriff's Office-issued car. They undergo background and
driver checks, an hourlong interview and 60 hours of training.
"We don't want any cop wannabes or people thinking they're going out
and acting like cops and making arrests," sheriff's spokesman Gary
Davidson said. "If we think that's the motivation, we're going to weed
them out."
Neighborhood Watch, by contrast, is less formal and is run by
residents -- although volunteers in both programs are told not to
confront anyone. Their job is to observe and describe suspicious
people or cars to law officers and help make their neighbors aware of
problems.
"We tell people, 'Don't be a hero,'" Dorival said. "Don't risk it."
Watch group improved other Sanford neighborhood
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Rod
2013-07-22 20:59:01 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC), Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
He was guilty of targeting, stalking, chasing, confronting,
assaulting, and murdering somone NOT committing any crime or activity.
The evidence collected by the prosecuting attorney doesn't support
your claims, Gary...
Mordecai
2013-07-22 20:36:36 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.

We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....

Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?

....

And now we do a black man and a black man ....

and then a white man and a white man.

In four tests ... your own reactions will show your own bigotry.
Nobody else can do it for you.
Nobody else can care. You are either a bigot or not. It is ... whatever is
within you.
You cannot avoid who you really are ... except by not testing.
If you do not like what you find (most people do not) then change yourself.
Nobody can do that for you either.

One of the things christians are supposed to do is to know themselves.
Their own strengths, their own failures, to judge themselves.

Oh ... and if you play out all four scenarios - you will realize one thing.
The problem is the situation. The situation is that the reason for the
police is that such self appointed police groups/vigilantes have too many
sad outcomes.

This is why such groups were removed and the police were used instead of
them.
But because of the race card - the death of an innocent man has been
ignored. After all, it was only a black man.

There will be more deaths to come. It is inherent in the situation.
Real life will recreate the situations above.
Black and white ... the innocent will die.

Justice is not served in a situation where the laws themselves do not
provide justice. Where the laws create injustice. Such as in this case.
--
Mordecai

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Mike Smith
2013-07-22 23:04:11 UTC
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.

If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}

For all you leftard fools, here is a free clue:
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.

Mike Smith
Mordecai
2013-07-23 00:51:27 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.
If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.
Mike Smith
My my ...
You sure changed the issue.
You changed from the cause of the conflict ... through the escalation of
the conflict - to the way the conflict was resolved.

What would you do if you were walking down the street after going to a
store, unarmed and a strange black man approached you? Would you feel
threatened?
Perhaps you might try to defend yourself by fighting?
And if you punched him and he shot you ...

Same situation. Same outcome ... reversed.

I told you to do this four time.
Two with black and white, two with same race.

If race is not part of the issue, then the outcome in all four cases should
be identical. If not, then bigotry. There can be "black" bigotry" and
"white" bigotry, but still it is bigotry.
it can be large "the other race deserves everything it gets" or small ...
but it is bigotry.

Your assertion that race is a factor means that race IS a factor to you.

This is what testing is all about.
You can use these things to test ... yourself.
You can find out that what you think about yourself is incorrect. it is,
you know. No person can look at themselves directly, and we are all so full
of rationalizations that we cannot find the truth about ourselves.

But these sort of tools allow us to examine ourselves so we can look at
ourselves accurately.
What another thinks of us is irrelevant.
What we think about ourselves is ... important.

Others can see ourselves better than we can - as they can examine us.
But we cannot look at ourselves.

This remains a tool for testing ... ourselves.
So do me a favour.
Allow others to look at themselves.

Your choice not to look at yourself is fine and dandy but others might want
to look at themselves. Allow them the opportunity.
--
Mordecai

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Mike Smith
2013-07-23 07:29:53 UTC
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:21:27 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.
If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.
Mike Smith
My my ...
You sure changed the issue.
You changed from the cause of the conflict ... through the escalation of
the conflict - to the way the conflict was resolved.
I'm beginning to believe you are not the brightest person around.
Post by Mordecai
What would you do if you were walking down the street after going to a
store, unarmed and a strange black man approached you? Would you feel
threatened?
Perhaps you might try to defend yourself by fighting?
And if you tried to kill him and he shot you ... (fixed it for you)
Yep. Especially if I told him he would die tonight.
Post by Mordecai
Same situation. Same outcome ... reversed.
I told you to do this four time.
Two with black and white, two with same race.
If race is not part of the issue, then the outcome in all four cases should
be identical. If not, then bigotry. There can be "black" bigotry" and
"white" bigotry, but still it is bigotry.
It never was a part of the Zimmerman/Trayvon issue.
Post by Mordecai
it can be large "the other race deserves everything it gets" or small ...
but it is bigotry.
Your assertion that race is a factor {lie} means that race IS a factor to you.
Are you really this stupid? Do you have trouble comprehending English?
Re-read my post and see if you can comprehend your racist problem.

Mike Smith
Baba
2013-07-23 08:31:06 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:21:27 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.
If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.
Mike Smith
My my ...
You sure changed the issue.
You changed from the cause of the conflict ... through the escalation of
the conflict - to the way the conflict was resolved.
I'm beginning to believe you are not the brightest person around.
Post by Mordecai
What would you do if you were walking down the street after going to a
store, unarmed and a strange black man approached you? Would you feel
threatened?
Perhaps you might try to defend yourself by fighting?
And if you tried to kill him and he shot you ... (fixed it for you)
Yep. Especially if I told him he would die tonight.
Post by Mordecai
Same situation. Same outcome ... reversed.
I told you to do this four time.
Two with black and white, two with same race.
If race is not part of the issue, then the outcome in all four cases should
be identical. If not, then bigotry. There can be "black" bigotry" and
"white" bigotry, but still it is bigotry.
It never was a part of the Zimmerman/Trayvon issue.
Post by Mordecai
it can be large "the other race deserves everything it gets" or small ...
but it is bigotry.
Your assertion that race is a factor {lie} means that race IS a factor to you.
Are you really this stupid? Do you have trouble comprehending English?
Re-read my post and see if you can comprehend your racist problem.
Mike Smith
Morty is a racist, and an agent provocateur.
He works for Mossad and satan

-baba
Baba
2013-07-23 08:28:16 UTC
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Post by Mordecai
Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.
If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.
Mike Smith
My my ...
You sure changed the issue.
You changed from the cause of the conflict ... through the escalation of
the conflict - to the way the conflict was resolved.
What would you do if you were walking down the street after going to a
store, unarmed and a strange black man approached you? Would you feel
threatened?
Perhaps you might try to defend yourself by fighting?
And if you punched him and he shot you ...
Same situation. Same outcome ... reversed.
I told you to do this four time.
Two with black and white, two with same race.
If race is not part of the issue, then the outcome in all four cases should
be identical. If not, then bigotry. There can be "black" bigotry" and
"white" bigotry, but still it is bigotry.
it can be large "the other race deserves everything it gets" or small ...
but it is bigotry.
Your assertion that race is a factor means that race IS a factor to you.
This is what testing is all about.
You can use these things to test ... yourself.
You can find out that what you think about yourself is incorrect. it is,
you know. No person can look at themselves directly, and we are all so full
of rationalizations that we cannot find the truth about ourselves.
But these sort of tools allow us to examine ourselves so we can look at
ourselves accurately.
What another thinks of us is irrelevant.
What we think about ourselves is ... important.
Others can see ourselves better than we can - as they can examine us.
But we cannot look at ourselves.
This remains a tool for testing ... ourselves.
So do me a favour.
Allow others to look at themselves.
Your choice not to look at yourself is fine and dandy but others might want
to look at themselves. Allow them the opportunity.
--
Mordecai
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Wow, what a hypocrite!
Let's do some more make believe you're not a Christ hating bigot, Morty.
Suppose, just for the "heck" of it, that little innocent Trayvon, who had been asking his buds if anybody knew where he could get a piece (translate for him, Rod), had been kicked out of school for dealing dope and fighting, was actually a Palestinian cruising down the backyard of your Kibbutz in Israel and when you, a volunteer "soldier", asked him what he was up to, he told his obese ignorant girlfriend on his cellphone full of evidence that he was a wanna be terrorist, that there was some nosy "hebe" in his face, prior to jumping on you and breaking your rather large beak. Let's suppose...

Tell us that you would wax eloquently about race relations and leave your Taas in your pants while the nice Pal played basketball with your head.
Sure, I'll believe your story just like I believe you're not here trolling and acting holier than thou...After all, it's reality.

make believe I'm your friend, Morty.
Be believable...

-baba
Mordecai
2013-07-23 09:45:47 UTC
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Post by Baba
Post by Mordecai
Post by Mike Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:06:36 +0930, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
Post by Mordecai
Post by Tracey12
Race Relations
Now that the smoke has cleared, it sure looks as though the white
establishment was supposed to convict George Zimmerman for the sake of race
relations, not because he was or wasn't guilty.
It is so plainly obvious that Zimmerman was defending himself, there can be
no other reason for the anger and anti-white rhetoric that is being spewed
across the country.
Fortunately, the jury did not know of the racial pressure, or they did not
care. Justice was served.
Let us test for "race relations" in your post.
We do a role playing game with the white man and the black ... how do you
feel?
Now do the reverse, with a white man walking alone and unarmed and a black
man went up to him ....
Wow - the situation is rather different - isn't it?
Not at all.
If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon was white, there probably would
not have been a trial. He would have been no-billed. (That should have
happened to Zimmerman}
If someone punches you hard enough to break your nose, throws you onto
the sidewalk and starts beating your head into the concrete, you have
every right to blow his brains out of his dumbassed head, and it does
not matter at all what his skin color is.
Mike Smith
My my ...
You sure changed the issue.
You changed from the cause of the conflict ... through the escalation of
the conflict - to the way the conflict was resolved.
What would you do if you were walking down the street after going to a
store, unarmed and a strange black man approached you? Would you feel
threatened?
Perhaps you might try to defend yourself by fighting?
And if you punched him and he shot you ...
Same situation. Same outcome ... reversed.
I told you to do this four time.
Two with black and white, two with same race.
If race is not part of the issue, then the outcome in all four cases should
be identical. If not, then bigotry. There can be "black" bigotry" and
"white" bigotry, but still it is bigotry.
it can be large "the other race deserves everything it gets" or small ...
but it is bigotry.
Your assertion that race is a factor means that race IS a factor to you.
This is what testing is all about.
You can use these things to test ... yourself.
You can find out that what you think about yourself is incorrect. it is,
you know. No person can look at themselves directly, and we are all so full
of rationalizations that we cannot find the truth about ourselves.
But these sort of tools allow us to examine ourselves so we can look at
ourselves accurately.
What another thinks of us is irrelevant.
What we think about ourselves is ... important.
Others can see ourselves better than we can - as they can examine us.
But we cannot look at ourselves.
This remains a tool for testing ... ourselves.
So do me a favour.
Allow others to look at themselves.
Your choice not to look at yourself is fine and dandy but others might want
to look at themselves. Allow them the opportunity.
--
Mordecai
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Wow, what a hypocrite!
Let's do some more make believe you're not a Christ hating bigot, Morty.
Suppose, just for the "heck" of it, that little innocent Trayvon, who had been asking his buds if anybody knew where he could get a piece (translate for him, Rod), had been kicked out of school for dealing dope and fighting, was actually a Palestinian cruising down the backyard of your Kibbutz in Israel and when you, a volunteer "soldier", asked him what he was up to, he told his obese ignorant girlfriend on his cellphone full of evidence that he was a wanna be terrorist, that there was some nosy "hebe" in his face, prior to jumping on you and breaking your rather large beak. Let's suppose...
Tell us that you would wax eloquently about race relations and leave your Taas in your pants while the nice Pal played basketball with your head.
Sure, I'll believe your story just like I believe you're not here trolling and acting holier than thou...After all, it's reality.
make believe I'm your friend, Morty.
Be believable...
-baba
How's it going Baba?
I do remember you having trouble with arthritis in your hands.

Have you read my posts to "Up from the Abyss?"
Now you can find the solution which could have been yours three years ago.
And ... the good part is you do not have to ask.
You can go and steal it - when I would have given it to you for free.

PS - I do note that all I have done is give people a tool to look ... AT
THEMSELVES.
I made no judgement on them, or on bigotry.

As for pretending you are my friend - that is rather impossible.
You see, I am for the palestinians and pray for them. Positive prayers.

Friends know who I am.
You do not.
--
Mordecai

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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