Discussion:
Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan!
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gaedhealic
2007-03-02 16:51:13 UTC
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Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."

The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.

As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.

This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.

God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.

If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.

As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52



owd
Richard Noggin
2007-03-02 18:11:06 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.http://tinyurl.com/253n52
owd
Yes and did not Jesus come to set us free of the ignorance of the way
they were taught to think and act, by way of the old testament. I know
its hard for most to conceive of being reborn of spirit. That is done
by Spirit, not by man or by bible. Bible is only a guide Jesus's words
if taught the right way will lead to the spirit, The Holy Spirit is
the only way to have been reborn of spirit, and that is what Jesus
taught. It's all in the way the bible is looked at. Yes Gods word is
in there and only The Holy Spirit can show and teach what it is you
need to know when you need it. To hold the bible as the Pharisee done
is just wrong and Jesus did prove that at every turn...
®andy
2007-03-02 19:25:39 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
gaedhealic
2007-03-02 21:32:31 UTC
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Post by ®andy
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:51:13 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Well, let me get this right, Randy....

You are saying that God did NOT create the Earth in six days, and that
it is not 'being deceived' to claim that the Word God-breathed DOES NOT
MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?

You are saying that God did not create man - and woman from man's rib -
and that it is not 'being deceived' to accept that the God-breathed Word
DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?

You are claiming that You (pre-trib rapture/Futurism) OR Dave
(anti-rapture/Preterism) are *not* (one or both) deceived? OR are you
saying that NEITHER You OR Dave are of the "very Elect"?

How many false Doctrines are there deceiving Christians? How many false
Doctrines divide the Body of Christ into sects and denominations?

You, Randy, are in the position of stating, or claiming, that NONE of
the teachers who teach contradictory doctrines are deceived.

You, Randy, are standing in the place of the false accuser, when you say
that those who "fall away" (Mat 24:12, 2 Thes 2:3) have NOT been
deceived by Satan.

And THAT means that YOU are deceived, or not of the "very Elect"!




owd
Pastor Dave
2007-03-03 02:10:05 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:32:31 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:51:13 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Well, let me get this right, Randy....
If both of you get it right, then you would realize that
false Christs already arose and some are listed right there
in the NT.

But when you both read the Bible with your, "It's all about
Post by gaedhealic
You are saying that God did NOT create the Earth in six days,
Stop being a damn ass wipe! He didn't say that, moron!
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
®andy
2007-03-03 04:41:08 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:10:05 -0800,
Post by Pastor Dave
But when you both read the Bible with your, "It's all about
Just look at what you keep accusing futurists of, and that's
exactly what Preterists do. Preterists are the ones claiming
the eternal state described in Revelation 21-22 is all about
them, here and now, while we claim it is about the future.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
®andy
2007-03-03 04:43:16 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:32:31 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:51:13 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Well, let me get this right, Randy....
You are saying that God did NOT create the Earth in six days, and that
it is not 'being deceived' to claim that the Word God-breathed DOES NOT
MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?
You are saying that God did not create man - and woman from man's rib -
and that it is not 'being deceived' to accept that the God-breathed Word
DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?
You are claiming that You (pre-trib rapture/Futurism) OR Dave
(anti-rapture/Preterism) are *not* (one or both) deceived? OR are you
saying that NEITHER You OR Dave are of the "very Elect"?
How many false Doctrines are there deceiving Christians? How many false
Doctrines divide the Body of Christ into sects and denominations?
You, Randy, are in the position of stating, or claiming, that NONE of
the teachers who teach contradictory doctrines are deceived.
You, Randy, are standing in the place of the false accuser, when you say
that those who "fall away" (Mat 24:12, 2 Thes 2:3) have NOT been
deceived by Satan.
And THAT means that YOU are deceived, or not of the "very Elect"!
owd
Your smoke screen of sophistry doesn't confuse me, idiot. The
passage doesn't say the elect will be deceived, or that they
can be deceived. It says "if it were possible".
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
gaedhealic
2007-03-03 09:53:14 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:32:31 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:51:13 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Well, let me get this right, Randy....
You are saying that God did NOT create the Earth in six days, and that
it is not 'being deceived' to claim that the Word God-breathed DOES NOT
MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?
You are saying that God did not create man - and woman from man's rib -
and that it is not 'being deceived' to accept that the God-breathed Word
DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID!?
You are claiming that You (pre-trib rapture/Futurism) OR Dave
(anti-rapture/Preterism) are *not* (one or both) deceived? OR are you
saying that NEITHER You OR Dave are of the "very Elect"?
How many false Doctrines are there deceiving Christians? How many false
Doctrines divide the Body of Christ into sects and denominations?
You, Randy, are in the position of stating, or claiming, that NONE of
the teachers who teach contradictory doctrines are deceived.
You, Randy, are standing in the place of the false accuser, when you say
that those who "fall away" (Mat 24:12, 2 Thes 2:3) have NOT been
deceived by Satan.
And THAT means that YOU are deceived, or not of the "very Elect"!
owd
Your smoke screen of sophistry doesn't confuse me, idiot. The
passage doesn't say the elect will be deceived, or that they
can be deceived. It says "if it were possible".
You have proved it possible -- or else you are not of the Elect.


owd
::: vera :::
2007-03-03 02:47:51 UTC
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Post by ®andy
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:51:13 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be
deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You're an idiot. It doesn't say the elect can or will be
deceived. It says "if it were possible".
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
OWD (Gaedhealic) is dreaming and changing Scripture to his liking again.
I just have not found out yet if he is aware of it himself or not.

The problem for a liar is that he has to lie more and more, because
otherwise his web of lies would break together. Then he might end up
like OWD does here. He should start anew completely in my opinion, and
ask God for His forgiveness.
Post by ®andy
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Mistylien
2007-03-03 08:50:39 UTC
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Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of "modern science" which
contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern science based upon the practice of sophistry,
and the false conclusions that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He allow a monkey to
mutate into a human and that human to mate with a monkey to procreate the human race - that is
a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
owd
gaedhealic
2007-03-03 09:49:46 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if
possible."
You reduce to nothing Jesus' warnings to beware of false prophets and
false teachers...

You contradict the parable of the seed sown on rocky ground.... Mark
4:16, and

"love of many shall wax cold..." Mat 24:12 and

the falling away.... 2 Thes 2:3....


Obviously you have proved it possible!




owd
®andy
2007-03-03 13:42:54 UTC
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:49:46 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if
possible."
You reduce to nothing Jesus' warnings to beware of false prophets and
false teachers...
You contradict the parable of the seed sown on rocky ground.... Mark
4:16, and
No, you contradict salvation by grace. You're proposing that
God saves you, but then you can loose it, based on your
merits. Elect people cannot become lost, because they are
predestinated to reach glory:

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also
called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them he also glorified.

Salvation by grace, isn't must salvation from the penalty of
sin (Romans 1-5), or the power of sin (6-7), but also from the
presence of sin in glory (Rom 8.). Any gospel that claims you
can loose your salvation, is a gospel that pretends salvation
from the power of sin and presence of sin depends at least in
part, on man's merits, and therefore results in eternal
damnation (Gal. 1:8).
Post by gaedhealic
"love of many shall wax cold..." Mat 24:12 and
the falling away.... 2 Thes 2:3....
Obviously you have proved it possible!
owd
ibid. You are as confused an idiotic heretic as there can be,
Owd. Not only do you reject the deity of Christ, but you also
propose a gospel of merits. You will surely burn in the
eternal torments of hell.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
®andy
2007-03-03 13:43:53 UTC
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:42:54 -0600,
in article
Post by ®andy
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:49:46 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if
possible."
You reduce to nothing Jesus' warnings to beware of false prophets and
false teachers...
You contradict the parable of the seed sown on rocky ground.... Mark
4:16, and
No, you contradict salvation by grace. You're proposing that
God saves you, but then you can loose it, based on your
merits. Elect people cannot become lost, because they are
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also
called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them he also glorified.
Salvation by grace, isn't must [just] salvation from the penalty of
sin (Romans 1-5), or the power of sin (6-7), but also from the
presence of sin in glory (Rom 8.). Any gospel that claims you
can loose your salvation, is a gospel that pretends salvation
from the power of sin and presence of sin depends at least in
part, on man's merits, and therefore results in eternal
damnation (Gal. 1:8).
Post by gaedhealic
"love of many shall wax cold..." Mat 24:12 and
the falling away.... 2 Thes 2:3....
Obviously you have proved it possible!
owd
ibid. You are as confused an idiotic heretic as there can be,
Owd. Not only do you reject the deity of Christ, but you also
propose a gospel of merits. You will surely burn in the
eternal torments of hell.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Mistylien
2007-03-04 07:03:35 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing

It is not possible is what it means God has chozen His elect and they
are the Elect because they have the Spirit of Truth.
You reduce to nothing Jesus' warnings to beware of false prophets and false teachers...
Not so we still need to beware of false prophets and test the spirt
of any false messenger like you that comes along.
You contradict the parable of the seed sown on rocky ground.... Mark 4:16, and
Parable of the Sower Has nothning to do with being ware of any
False prophet or deceiver that is in the world pretending
to be more then God.
"love of many shall wax cold..." Mat 24:12 and
If I did not love you I would not even be replying to your posts.
the falling away.... 2 Thes 2:3....
Obviously you have proved it possible!
Wake up o sleeper and Die right.

M,
owd
gaedhealic
2007-03-04 09:01:36 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
®andy
2007-03-04 15:36:59 UTC
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:01:36 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
gaedhealic
2007-03-04 16:40:26 UTC
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Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:01:36 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived by Satan! Mat 24:24
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.

For you, Satan's deceiving you was possible -- as these examples prove.

You lie, Randy, and say the Last Trumpet is not the Seventh Trumpet or
the Trump of God...

...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated that Satan has
deceived you with that lie...

http://tinyurl.com/27zxa3


You deny that the Beast is Satan...

...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated that Satan has
deceived you with that lie...

http://tinyurl.com/2fan7n

...yet you continue to cling to those lies like a drowning man clinging
to an anchor!

Satan has deceived you because you reject Jesus' warning that false
prophets and devils will come teaching lies.

Satan has deceived you because you choose to use doctrine as judge of
the Word of God -- rather than using God's Word as the judge of all
doctrine.

"If possible" means EXACTLY THAT... But you pervert Jesus' words to mean
that HE (Jesus) will prevent you from being deceived... When Jesus has
made it clear that it is your responsibility to choose truth!

God's Word has clearly and repeatedly revealed that it is each
individual's responsibility to choose truth, to reject lies, to exercise
reason and judgment and self control to choose and follow Truth.

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: _but he that shall
endure unto the end_, the same shall be saved." Mark 13:13

"But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, _if we hold
fast_ the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."
Heb 3:6

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our
confidence stedfast unto the end" Heb 3:14

"And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end... Rev 2:26


You reject Truth, Randy, and practice sophistry, illogic and the
perversion of His Word. You practice distortion of what people write to
you to resist your false doctrine, you make false accusations and lie
against those who attempt to point out the errors of your way. Pr 14:12

Satan has deceived you.

If you will not examine the Truth of God's Word as it opposes the false
doctrine of "rapture" and "millennial reign," if you will not put a love
of truth above your pride and ego, if you will not cease to add words or
wrong meanings to God's Word, if you continue to reject correction, then
you will worship the false "God" of modern Rome and drink from the cup
of God's Wrath.

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have
tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
"_If they shall fall away_, to renew them again unto repentance;

~~ whose end is to be burned. Heb 6:4-8

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of
this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto
him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take
away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away
his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book." Rev 21:18-19.




"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be
destroyed, and that without remedy." Solomon


owd
-+-

What Is A "Doctrine Of Devils?" http://tinyurl.com/s68xk
.
"There is no sound exegetical basis for claiming the 'millennial reign
of Christ on earth' is in Revelation 19-20."
.
There is no valid scriptural or exegetical basis for the rapture doctrine.
.
®andy
2007-03-04 16:46:15 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.
There's nothing false about believing "if possible" does not
mean "it is possible". You are the one who believes a false
doctrine, and your smoke screen of idiotic sophistry can't
change that.

The implications of your false doctrine that the elect can be
deceived and lost, is that God gets us started in salvation,
but then its up to us to maintain it. That is a gospel of
merits (Gal. 1:8-9), which denies and contradicts the clear
teaching of Scripture (Rom. 8), and will result in eternal
damnation.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
gaedhealic
2007-03-04 23:16:17 UTC
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Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.
There's nothing false about believing "if possible" does not
mean "it is possible".
If you believe "if possible" means anything other than "if possible,"
then you are one of the deceived.

But THAT is what you do to all the word of God, you take words to mean
what they were not intended to mean by the Speaker.


Because you are a liar in your soul, Randy, you tell lies and you hear lies.
®andy
2007-03-05 04:43:14 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.
There's nothing false about believing "if possible" does not
mean "it is possible".
If you believe "if possible" means anything other than "if possible,"
then you are one of the deceived.
But THAT is what you do to all the word of God, you take words to mean
what they were not intended to mean by the Speaker.
Because you are a liar in your soul, Randy, you tell lies and you hear lies.
The passage does not say or mean the elect can or will be
deceived. None of your shell games will change that.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
PsalmsWork
2007-03-06 14:02:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:16:17 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.
There's nothing false about believing "if possible" does not
mean "it is possible".
If you believe "if possible" means anything other than "if possible,"
then you are one of the deceived.
But THAT is what you do to all the word of God, you take words to mean
what they were not intended to mean by the Speaker.
Because you are a liar in your soul, Randy, you tell lies and you hear lies.
The passage does not say or mean the elect can or will be
deceived. None of your shell games will change that.
Quite right. I would flap my arms and fly, if that were possible.

*but it's not*

and...well...that's the whole point, isn't it?

People who are concerned with rightly interpreting the Word of God, do
not ignore the plain-language rendering of the text.
Mistylien
2007-03-07 05:21:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:16:17 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800,
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ®andy
"If possible" does not mean "possible". People aren't quite
as stupid as you need them to be.
Some people, like you Randy, choose to believe lies and false doctrine.
There's nothing false about believing "if possible" does not
mean "it is possible".
If you believe "if possible" means anything other than "if possible,"
then you are one of the deceived.
But THAT is what you do to all the word of God, you take words to mean
what they were not intended to mean by the Speaker.
Because you are a liar in your soul, Randy, you tell lies and you hear lies.
The passage does not say or mean the elect can or will be
deceived. None of your shell games will change that.
Quite right. I would flap my arms and fly, if that were possible.

*but it's not*

and...well...that's the whole point, isn't it?

People who are concerned with rightly interpreting the Word of God, do
not ignore the plain-language rendering of the text.

You have got that right pal.
Pastor Dave
2007-03-05 14:39:47 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated
that Satan has deceived you with that lie...
You deny that the Beast is Satan...
Where does the Bible say that the beast is Satan?
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
gaedhealic
2007-03-05 16:40:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated
that Satan has deceived you with that lie...
You deny that the Beast is Satan...
Where does the Bible say that the beast is Satan?
http://tinyurl.com/nvdyq
Pastor Dave
2007-03-05 20:55:09 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:40:21 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated
that Satan has deceived you with that lie...
You deny that the Beast is Satan...
Where does the Bible say that the beast is Satan?
http://tinyurl.com/nvdyq
A web link is not an answer and frankly,
I'm not interested in reading pages of text
to search for it. If it is plainly in the Bible,
then you should be able to instantly point
to where the Bible says it, since if the Bible
says it, it shouldn't take hours to figure it out.
It should just say it. Otherwise, it is nothing
more than your conjecture, which means that
you are lying when you say "the Bible says it"
and you should be saying, "I say it and I
believe the Bible says it".

If you are not honest, then you won't admit that.
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
gaedhealic
2007-03-06 03:56:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pastor Dave
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:40:21 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated
that Satan has deceived you with that lie...
You deny that the Beast is Satan...
Where does the Bible say that the beast is Satan?
http://tinyurl.com/nvdyq
clip
Post by Pastor Dave
If it is plainly in the Bible,
then you should be able to instantly point
to where the Bible says it,
So point out the scripture that "plainly" says that Jesus DID come in AD 70!

If you can't, then you've just proved your own doctrine wrong by your
own terms!!


There ARE references to Christ in both Jewish and Gentile Secular
writings of the day: (Such as: Tacitus, Annals 15.44. Pliny, Epistles x.
96. Josephus, Antiquities xx. 200; and, Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64.
The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935),
vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281.)

Therefore, will you please provide the following requested information?

Because you claim that the Lord returned in AD70, and that all prophecy
was fulfilled at that time:

Can you please show me in the JEWISH news reports and commentary - or
Jewish Historical accounts - of the day (AD70) any stories of, or
confirmation of, the Lord's return?

Are there ANY CHRISTIAN accounts of the Lord's return? I will require at
least three.

-+-

Because you claim, specifically, that the "Times of the Gentiles" (Luke
21:24) was fulfilled and ended in AD70:

Please tell me where can I find, in JEWISH writings, an account of the
JEWISH reconstruction of Jerusalem immediately following the destruction
of the City and Temple in AD70, how long that reconstruction took, and
who were the principle individuals?

Can you please cite two or three JEWISH sources that reveal the type of
Government the Jews used to govern Jerusalem immediately after AD70? Who
was the Jewish Governor (Ruler/Leader) of Jerusalem?

Can you cite two or three JEWISH sources reveling the strength of the
Jewish army which guarded Jerusalem immediately after AD70? Who was the
Jewish General Commander of that army?



owd
-+-
What Is A "Doctrine Of Devils?" http://tinyurl.com/s68xk
.
"There is no sound historical or exegetical basis for claiming the Lord
returned in 70AD."
.
There is no valid scriptural or exegetical basis for the Preterist doctrine.
.
Pastor Dave
2007-03-06 13:51:56 UTC
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:56:07 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by gaedhealic
...Using nothing but the word of God I demonstrated
that Satan has deceived you with that lie...
You deny that the Beast is Satan...
Where does the Bible say that the beast is Satan?
http://tinyurl.com/nvdyq
clip
Post by Pastor Dave
If it is plainly in the Bible,
then you should be able to instantly point
to where the Bible says it,
So point out the scripture that "plainly" says that Jesus
DID come in AD 70!
If you can't, then you've just proved your own doctrine
wrong by your own terms!!
No stupid, since I never said, "The Bible says that Jesus
came in 70 AD". Nor can you quote me saying that.

You, on the other hand, said that to deny that the beast
is Satan, is to be deceived by a lie. Therefore, I simply
asked a question. Your response was to point to one
of *your* writings. You did not write the Bible and so,
your writing is not germane to a discussion about what
the Bible says.

Now can you show me where the Bible says that the beast
is Satan? Or will you admit that it is *your belief* that the
Bible says this and that it is *your* *doctrine*?
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
Mistylien
2007-03-05 06:26:31 UTC
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snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2007-03-05 09:17:40 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Incorrect.

"With man this is impossible but with GOD all things are possible." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

Amen ! ! ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
®andy
2007-03-05 13:34:21 UTC
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Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Incorrect.
"With man this is impossible but with GOD all things are possible." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen ! ! ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Hint: The discussion is about whether or not it is possible to deceive
the elect.


Please pray for our idiot, robot neighbor, Dr. Chung, and his
salvation.
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Mistylien
2007-03-06 05:57:39 UTC
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snip<
Post by ®andy
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Incorrect.
"With man this is impossible but with GOD all things are possible." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen ! ! ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Hint: The discussion is about whether or not it is possible to deceive
the elect.
Please pray for our idiot, robot neighbor, Dr. Chung, and his
salvation.
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.

M,
Post by ®andy
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
r m
2007-03-06 07:07:18 UTC
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[snippidy do dah]
Post by Mistylien
Post by ®andy
Hint: The discussion is about whether or not it is possible to deceive
the elect.
Please pray for our idiot, robot neighbor, Dr. Chung, and his
salvation.
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.
Can you unpack that a little?
Mistylien
2007-03-07 05:16:25 UTC
Permalink
[snippidy do dah]
Post by Mistylien
Post by ®andy
Hint: The discussion is about whether or not it is possible to deceive
the elect.
Please pray for our idiot, robot neighbor, Dr. Chung, and his
salvation.
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.
Can you unpack that a little?

Yes maybe. . .

it looks like Chung is into following the Dark side and will not walk
in the light.
Those that continue to walk in the Dark are hell bent for thier own distruction.
we can not pray them to turn around.
Our words will keep falling on ears that
hear not and eyes that see not.

1 John 5:16

M,
Pastor Dave
2007-03-06 13:45:39 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:39 -0600, "Mistylien"
Post by Mistylien
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.
Really? Where?
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
Mistylien
2007-03-07 05:17:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pastor Dave
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:39 -0600, "Mistylien"
Post by Mistylien
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.
Really? Where?
1 John 5:16

M,
Post by Pastor Dave
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Pastor Dave
2007-03-07 14:30:32 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:17:33 -0600, "Mistylien"
Post by Mistylien
Post by Pastor Dave
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:39 -0600, "Mistylien"
Post by Mistylien
Paul of the New Testament says we do not have to worry about
sins that lead to death.
Really? Where?
1 John 5:16
It doesn't say that, but I may have mistook what
you meant by "don't worry about it".
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2007-03-10 14:26:49 UTC
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Kurt Gavin
2007-03-10 15:08:17 UTC
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"Andrew B. Chung, MDemon/PhDemon" <***@scatology.com> wrote in message

<snip>

Chung, you are condemned by Deuteronomy for your false prophecies.

You are a criminal and a demon.

DEPART DEMON chung!!!

Kurt Gavin
2007-03-05 15:16:15 UTC
Permalink
Chung: can you predict how to spell "straightjacket"?
::: vera :::
2007-03-05 15:31:29 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!

OWD should do a grammar course. He has a problem with that, not only
here in this context. But I know the reason for that... He changed
Scripture until it fit to his liking and to his world as he sees it, and
so he had to resolve all the semantic and grammatical rules. "If
possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future like
in:

"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".

But related to the past like in:

"They would even delude the very elect, if that were possible" we have a
classical if-clause (type II) that gives a condition. "If it were
possible" clearly excludes that it is possible or was possible. The
whole sentence is just meant to be hypothetical.

OWD changes the meaning of things all the time.

I can highly recommend to be careful with persons who do this and want
to give you a brain-washing. Later you do not understand any other
people anymore, and then the only person you think understands you is
the one who gave you the brain-washing.

If language is not the language you know and understand - stay away!
(Generally said, not to Misty, as he perfectly well knows that already.)

Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language for
me.


::: vera :::


--
___________________________________________________
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
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gaedhealic
2007-03-05 16:54:37 UTC
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Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language for
me.
"Truth" is a foreign language for you, Vera, since...

"For there _shall_ arise false Christs, and false prophets, and _shall_
*shew great signs and wonders*; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
*shall* deceive the very elect.. "

Is Prophecy Of Future (not 'history') Events, of the time just before He
Will Return...

Now... when many ARE deceived by false prophets like you, Griz and
fervent deceived the Building Crew....

...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy Spirit,"
cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the spirit,"
false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with you and your
leader, Griz...


Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm

This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!


owd
::: vera :::
2007-03-05 19:06:16 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.

***********************************************

There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do not
have tongues there at all.

Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of the
mainstream churches, and they teach as their teaching is. Oldwetdog just
fears people who go to a church, because they would hear that Jesus is
God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity, and also denies the
Trinity.

I can really recommend to go to a church, or to join Christians about
whom you KNOW that they teach the Gospel, or be very, very careful,
please.

The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you know what they
are teaching, and that the most essential teaching is accepted by them
all.

That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's Word or
claiming that Jesus was not the third divine person of the ONE Triune
God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), and if he does not have
his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I am writing
that to give the reader something to check if he is not sure to join a
Christian group or church or not.

I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses fulfill
this creterion, and so it is a rather good way if you are looking for a
church.

God bless you all


::: vera :::



--
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
Timothy.
2007-03-05 19:48:25 UTC
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Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do not
have tongues there at all.
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of the
mainstream churches, and they teach as their teaching is. Oldwetdog just
fears people who go to a church, because they would hear that Jesus is God
in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity, and also denies the Trinity.
I can really recommend to go to a church, or to join Christians about whom
you KNOW that they teach the Gospel, or be very, very careful, please.
The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you know what they are
teaching, and that the most essential teaching is accepted by them all.
That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's Word or
claiming that Jesus was not the third divine person of the ONE Triune God
(the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), and if he does not have his
center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I am writing that to
give the reader something to check if he is not sure to join a Christian
group or church or not.
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses fulfill
this creterion, and so it is a rather good way if you are looking for a
church.
God bless you all
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was good
and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing Nicky Gumball
or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are Anglicans and the
course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha is about learning about
faith together - not forced indoctrination, and I ended up having a blazing
row with one of the organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The
lighting of candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see
that I did not have to agree with him in order to be a Christian.

Tim.
::: vera :::
2007-03-05 20:47:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha
Course..." pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG
not long ago with you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do
not have tongues there at all.
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of
the mainstream churches, and they teach as their teaching is.
Oldwetdog just fears people who go to a church, because they would
hear that Jesus is God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity,
and also denies the Trinity. I can really recommend to go to a
church, or to join Christians
about whom you KNOW that they teach the Gospel, or be very, very
careful, please. The mainstream churches can usually grant you that
you know what
they are teaching, and that the most essential teaching is accepted
by them all. That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not
God's Word or
claiming that Jesus was not the third divine person of the ONE
Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), and if he does
not have his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I
am writing that to give the reader something to check if he is not
sure to join a Christian group or church or not.
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses
fulfill this creterion, and so it is a rather good way if you are
looking for a church.
God bless you all
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced indoctrination,
and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the organisers in a
hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of candles to aid
meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that I did not have
to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Okay, that was wrong, and is surely not the idea of an Alpha course. I
am sorry that you met an organiser who obviously had a problem. But
nobody is perfect, and we are all learning, are we not? I am glad that
the contents of the course were okay with you in general. Of course any
denomination has its speciality. I love much it more to see what we all
share. Baptists in Germany love candle light, by the way, so this
organiser's problem was not a typically Baptist problem. Baptists are
rather rational, though, as far as I know.

Candles... let me see, there must be some somewhere, but where ...?

Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is most
important...

Let us light some candles for a nicer atmosphere:

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Post by Timothy.
Tim.
::: vera :::

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Timothy.
2007-03-05 23:07:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha
Course..." pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG
not long ago with you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do
not have tongues there at all.
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of
the mainstream churches, and they teach as their teaching is.
Oldwetdog just fears people who go to a church, because they would
hear that Jesus is God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity,
and also denies the Trinity. I can really recommend to go to a church,
or to join Christians
about whom you KNOW that they teach the Gospel, or be very, very
careful, please. The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you
know what
they are teaching, and that the most essential teaching is accepted
by them all. That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's
Word or
claiming that Jesus was not the third divine person of the ONE
Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), and if he does
not have his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I
am writing that to give the reader something to check if he is not
sure to join a Christian group or church or not.
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses
fulfill this creterion, and so it is a rather good way if you are
looking for a church.
God bless you all
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced indoctrination,
and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the organisers in a
hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of candles to aid
meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that I did not have
to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Okay, that was wrong, and is surely not the idea of an Alpha course. I am
sorry that you met an organiser who obviously had a problem. But nobody
is perfect, and we are all learning, are we not?
Correct.
I am glad that the contents of the course were okay with you in general.
Of course any denomination has its speciality. I love much it more to see
what we all share. Baptists in Germany love candle light, by the way, so
this organiser's problem was not a typically Baptist problem. Baptists are
rather rational, though, as far as I know.
Actually, I was a Baptist myself for three years, but long before that time,
I felt that my spiritual 'home' was the Anglican Church, and changed over.
I am now Anglo-Catholic, and there is a lot of symbolism, which I find
helpful. Now I'm on the rota at my church as an Acolyte - a candle-bearer!!
Candles... let me see, there must be some somewhere, but where ...?
Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is most
important...
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
Lovely!! THANKS!

Tim.
Post by Timothy.
Tim.
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Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:52:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Timothy.
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha
Course..." pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG
not long ago with you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do
not have tongues there at all.
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of
the mainstream churches, and they teach as their teaching is.
Oldwetdog just fears people who go to a church, because they would
hear that Jesus is God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity,
and also denies the Trinity. I can really recommend to go to a church, or to join
Christians
about whom you KNOW that they teach the Gospel, or be very, very
careful, please. The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you know what
they are teaching, and that the most essential teaching is accepted
by them all. That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's Word or
claiming that Jesus was not the third divine person of the ONE
Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), and if he does
not have his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I
am writing that to give the reader something to check if he is not
sure to join a Christian group or church or not.
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses
fulfill this creterion, and so it is a rather good way if you are
looking for a church.
God bless you all
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced indoctrination,
and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the organisers in a
hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of candles to aid
meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that I did not have
to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Okay, that was wrong, and is surely not the idea of an Alpha course. I am sorry that you met
an organiser who obviously had a problem. But nobody is perfect, and we are all learning,
are we not?
Correct.
I am glad that the contents of the course were okay with you in general. Of course any
denomination has its speciality. I love much it more to see what we all share. Baptists in
Germany love candle light, by the way, so this organiser's problem was not a typically
Baptist problem. Baptists are rather rational, though, as far as I know.
Actually, I was a Baptist myself for three years, but long before that time, I felt that my
spiritual 'home' was the Anglican Church, and changed over. I am now Anglo-Catholic, and there
is a lot of symbolism, which I find helpful. Now I'm on the rota at my church as an Acolyte -
a candle-bearer!!
Candles... let me see, there must be some somewhere, but where ...?
Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is most important...
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
Lovely!! THANKS!
Tim.
Post by Timothy.
Tim.
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Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:48:51 UTC
Permalink
snip<
Post by Timothy.
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced indoctrination,
and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the organisers in a
hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of candles to aid
meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that I did not have
to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Okay, that was wrong, and is surely not the idea of an Alpha course. I am sorry that you met
an organiser who obviously had a problem. But nobody is perfect, and we are all learning, are
we not? I am glad that the contents of the course were okay with you in general. Of course any
denomination has its speciality. I love much it more to see what we all share. Baptists in
Germany love candle light, by the way, so this organiser's problem was not a typically Baptist
problem. Baptists are rather rational, though, as far as I know.
Candles... let me see, there must be some somewhere, but where ...?
Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is most important...
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
So I am a handy man What can I say I just have to
fix the candles if they are not correct.
I did that too at the Metheodest chruch when I worked there too.
Post by Timothy.
Tim.
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::: vera :::
2007-03-06 13:09:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Timothy.
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced
indoctrination, and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the
organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of
candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see
that I did not have to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Okay, that was wrong, and is surely not the idea of an Alpha course.
I am sorry that you met an organiser who obviously had a problem.
But nobody is perfect, and we are all learning, are we not? I am
glad that the contents of the course were okay with you in general.
Of course any denomination has its speciality. I love much it more
to see what we all share. Baptists in Germany love candle light, by
the way, so this organiser's problem was not a typically Baptist
problem. Baptists are rather rational, though, as far as I know.
Candles... let me see, there must be some somewhere, but where ...?
Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || || () () ()
|| || ||
() () ()
|| || ||
So I am a handy man What can I say I just have to
fix the candles if they are not correct.
I did that too at the Metheodest chruch when I worked there too.
Thank you, my dear Friend!

I do not know how that could happen... Good to have you around. :-)
Post by Mistylien
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Timothy.
Tim.
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Mistylien
2007-03-07 03:40:42 UTC
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snip<
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
Post by ::: vera :::
Oh, there you go - maybe that helps us all concentrating on what is
() () ()
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() () ()
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() () ()
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Wow dancing candles!
I think some one is messing with the replies.


M,
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
So I am a handy man What can I say I just have to
fix the candles if they are not correct.
I did that too at the Metheodest chruch when I worked there too.
Thank you, my dear Friend!
I do not know how that could happen... Good to have you around. :-)
Post by Mistylien
Post by ::: vera :::
Tim.
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gaedhealic
2007-03-05 21:19:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
clip Vera's clip 'n spew... :-)
Post by Timothy.
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was good
and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing Nicky Gumball
or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are Anglicans and the
course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha is about learning about
faith together - not forced indoctrination, and I ended up having a blazing
row with one of the organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The
lighting of candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see
that I did not have to agree with him in order to be a Christian.
Tim.
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm

This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!


owd
::: vera :::
2007-03-05 21:35:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original.
Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha
Course..." pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG
not long ago with you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
clip Vera's clip 'n spew... :-)
Post by Timothy.
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced
indoctrination, and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the
organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of
candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that
I did not have to agree with him in order to be a Christian. Tim.
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
This is absolutely nonsense. You want to drive people away from God,
from the Church and into your one-man-gospel.

Shame on you!

Go and repent of that!
Post by gaedhealic
owd
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gaedhealic
2007-03-06 03:58:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Timothy.
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original.
Young's has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha
Course..." pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG
not long ago with you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
clip Vera's clip 'n spew... :-)
Post by Timothy.
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was
good and well presented (although we all got a bit tired of hearing
Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only thing was, we are
Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha
is about learning about faith together - not forced
indoctrination, and I ended up having a blazing row with one of the
organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of
candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that
I did not have to agree with him in order to be a Christian. Tim.
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
This is absolutely nonsense.
Did you watch the videos?
Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:54:43 UTC
Permalink
"gaedhealic" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...

Clip all your disrespect! !!
Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:40:55 UTC
Permalink
snip<
Post by ::: vera :::
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do not have tongues there
at all.
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of the mainstream churches,
and they teach as their teaching is. Oldwetdog just fears people who go to a church, because
they would hear that Jesus is God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity, and also
denies the Trinity.
I can really recommend to go to a church, or to join Christians about whom you KNOW that they
teach the Gospel, or be very, very careful, please.
The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you know what they are teaching, and that
the most essential teaching is accepted by them all.
That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's Word or claiming that Jesus was
not the third divine person of the ONE Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit),
and if he does not have his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I am writing
that to give the reader something to check if he is not sure to join a Christian group or
church or not.
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses fulfill this creterion, and so
it is a rather good way if you are looking for a church.
God bless you all
My wife and I did an Alpha course a few years ago. I thought it was good and well presented
(although we all got a bit tired of hearing Nicky Gumball or whatever his name was). The only
thing was, we are Anglicans and the course was hosted by a local Baptist church. Alpha is
about learning about faith together - not forced indoctrination, and I ended up having a
blazing row with one of the organisers in a hotel bar. Over guess what? The lighting of
candles to aid meditation on Christ in prayer. He couldn't see that I did not have to agree
with him in order to be a Christian.
Tim.
Good Job Tim.
\
Stand up for your rights.

M,
gaedhealic
2007-03-06 03:50:14 UTC
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Post by ::: vera :::
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Post by ::: vera :::
"If possible" can mean what he says, but then it refers to the future
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
clip
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language
for me.
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end,
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Vera


;-) I see it is almost 5 AM in Berlin.... Did you stay up all night, or
get up early...

Never mind -- that was a 'throw-away' question...


Lol...
Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:36:45 UTC
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Snip<
Post by ::: vera :::
[big snip of his nonsense]
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..."
pretending to speak in tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy
Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor "slain in the
spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with
you and your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
owd
Your clipping and hate will not help you in the end, Glenn McClary.
***********************************************
There have never been tongues in an Alpha Course at my church. We do not have tongues there at
all.
Tongues is a sign of the false prophet at work not the Holy Spirit!

However it the tongues were to be speaking in languages that the
people around could understand and it was giving the Gospel
that would be a different thing all to gether.
Post by ::: vera :::
Alpha Courses started in the Anglican Church and is held in many of the mainstream churches,
and they teach as their teaching is. Oldwetdog just fears people who go to a church, because
they would hear that Jesus is God in ALL of them, and he denies him his Deity, and also denies
the Trinity.
OH he denies all of us our words and inteligence and thinks
he know all of what we know or he tries to pretend he does.

OWD LOST ALL CREDIBILITY TO EVEN TALK TO ME.

his mental block gets in his own way all the time.
I do not even know why I even reply to his posts other thenn some one
else may pick up on some truths I am trying to get across.
Post by ::: vera :::
I can really recommend to go to a church, or to join Christians about whom you KNOW that they
teach the Gospel, or be very, very careful, please.
I have excomunicated my self from all of the Daughters of the Harlot
sectular religions.
I used to go visit all of them I could to see what they do at their
servieces. but I even gave that up and now I am only looking for
those that only Folow our Lord Jesus.
Post by ::: vera :::
The mainstream churches can usually grant you that you know what they are teaching, and that
the most essential teaching is accepted by them all.
No here in America I find they all tend to be going back to the mother
church. and abandoning Jesus as the Head of the Church.
They like a man to heat their church.
Post by ::: vera :::
That is to say that someone claiming the Bible is not God's Word or claiming that Jesus was
not the third divine person of the ONE Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit),
and if he does not have his center in Jesus, does surely not fit this criterion. I am writing
that to give the reader something to check if he is not sure to join a Christian group or
church or not.
In the last 3 weeks, or should I say about 3 weeks ago I found 2 more
likeable Christians that have no affiliations with any of the Harlots
Daughter churches.
I can only incourage them to read their bibles and pray for other fellow
Christians to make themselves known.

One I did heat up pretty well as she said now I am on fire for the Lord.

She shamed me though because she prayed before her meal I do not
remember to do that any more.

God Bless you all as well.

M,
Post by ::: vera :::
I know from my experience that churches who have Alpha Courses fulfill this creterion, and so
it is a rather good way if you are looking for a church.
God bless you all
--
___________________________________________________
Pastor Dave
2007-03-05 20:58:14 UTC
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:54:37 -0800, gaedhealic
Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
snip<
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
Post by Mistylien
You misread this as usual.
Did you notice it says? "IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE".
the words "that were" are added, they are not original. Young's
has "if possible."
If possible means the same thing
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Translation: I'm stupid and don't care that
I'm wrong. So I will snip what I can't argue
with and pretend that I'm being honest.

You're not too bright, but we all knew that.
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
Mistylien
2007-03-06 07:04:58 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
clip to point
Owd you would not know truth if it burned you to Hell.
Post by gaedhealic
"For there _shall_ arise false Christs, and false prophets, and _shall_ *shew great signs and
wonders*; insomuch that, if it were possible, they *shall* deceive the very elect.. "
Do not fortget to say the rest of it.

If possible If possible If possible If possible

YOu would not have a clue as to when all that is or would happen anyway
so why even post it.
Post by gaedhealic
Is Prophecy Of Future (not 'history') Events, of the time just before He Will Return...
He has been returning for the last 2,000 years but you just keep missing
HIM!

How long have you had your learning dissbility? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
Post by gaedhealic
Now... when many ARE deceived by false prophets like you, Griz and fervent deceived the
Building Crew....and you glen, Owd, or what ever
you like to call your blind self. . .
Post by gaedhealic
...like the false teachers who deceive people in the "Alpha Course..." pretending to speak in
tongues to "prompt the Gifts of the Holy Spirit," cackling like chickens, falling on the floor
"slain in the spirit," false prophecy -- which we had in this NG not long ago with you and
your leader, Griz...
Here is the fruit of the "Alpha Course..."
snip the stupid lying link
Post by gaedhealic
This IS a fulfillment of the above prophecy!
All your words are fruitless.
Post by gaedhealic
owd
Pastor Dave
2007-03-05 20:57:08 UTC
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On 5 Mar 2007 15:31:29 GMT, " ::: vera :::"
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
Post by gaedhealic
"If possible" does not mean "not possible."
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
OWD should do a grammar course.
Actually, no, that phrase does not automatically mean,
"not possible". That depends on the context and you
really need to stop pretending that when you read the
Bible, that the normal rules of language don't apply.

However, IN THIS CONTEXT, which IS THE PRIMARY
rule of interpretation for any text, it does mean that
it is not possible.
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
Mistylien
2007-03-06 06:40:49 UTC
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snip<
Post by ::: vera :::
Post by Mistylien
OH YES IT DOES! !
Amen! You got it, Mistylein!
Thank you My friend Vera!
Post by ::: vera :::
OWD should do a grammar course. He has a problem with that, not only here in this context. But
I know the reason for that... He changed Scripture until it fit to his liking and to his world
as he sees it, and so he had to resolve all the semantic and grammatical rules. "If possible"
"Could you come and visit me next Friday, if possible?"
Here it only means "possibly".
"They would even delude the very elect, if that were possible" we have a classical if-clause
(type II) that gives a condition. "If it were possible" clearly excludes that it is possible
or was possible. The whole sentence is just meant to be hypothetical.
OWD changes the meaning of things all the time.
I can highly recommend to be careful with persons who do this and want to give you a
brain-washing. Later you do not understand any other people anymore, and then the only person
you think understands you is the one who gave you the brain-washing.
If language is not the language you know and understand - stay away! (Generally said, not to
Misty, as he perfectly well knows that already.)
Glen has a very big learning dissablility that is very recognizabel to us all
Post by ::: vera :::
Sorry for my bad English, by the way, but it is a foreign language for me.
YOu are forgiven and you do just fine with the English american language
as far as I can see.

M,
Post by ::: vera :::
--
___________________________________________________
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2007-03-03 11:15:49 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
Amen.

"Darwin's Theory of Evolution is satan's beast from the sea." -- Holy
Spirit

Amen.
Post by gaedhealic
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/8e06fda26ea898dd?
May G-D continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more dear brethren whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Kurt Gavin
2007-03-03 17:03:00 UTC
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"Andrew B. dung, MDemon/PhDemon" <lobotomy_boi> howled
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"Darwin's Theory of Evolution is satan's beast from the sea." -- Holy
Spirit
So says a jesass lobotomized scatologist.

The chung demon is too cowardly to challenge my righteous indictments of its
howlings.

<snip howling>
Machete
2007-03-03 21:53:21 UTC
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Some of the very elect CAN be deceived by Satan


Does that include Cardiologists who practice medicine on the internet?



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Qadosh Stephanos
2007-03-04 04:56:54 UTC
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On 3 Mar 2007 03:15:49 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
Amen.
"Darwin's Theory of Evolution is satan's beast from the sea." -- Holy
Spirit
Amen.
And to think Charles was at one time a Christian.

I guess that blows up that theology of Calvinism.

Well, I guess were back at the start with Luther.
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by gaedhealic
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/8e06fda26ea898dd?
May G-D continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more dear brethren whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2007-03-04 06:02:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Qadosh Stephanos
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
Amen.
"Darwin's Theory of Evolution is satan's beast from the sea." -- Holy
Spirit
Amen.
Post by gaedhealic
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/8e06fda26ea898dd?
May G-D continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more dear brethren whom I love unconditionally.
And to think Charles was at one time a Christian.
I guess that blows up that theology of Calvinism.
Well, I guess were back at the start with Luther.
Without the LORD, your thoughts and guesses are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes)

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Machete
2007-03-04 08:32:12 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many
different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
Amen.
Well, your prediction of global destruction didn't quite take shape
yesterday, did it Chung? Clearly this is very disconcerting to you as it's
obvious you were certain that a simple lunar event forcasted the end of an
age. It's pretty difficult NOT to question a man's sanity after such a
foolish and humiliating prediction, a prediction with no basis what-so-ever.
I once heard a man say that only God, who is outside of time, can forcast
the future. You claim to be able to do so.

Here's what occured, the moon just happened to pass through the Earth's
shadow. These things tend to happen from time to time. As for you, I would
consider a psychiatric facility, if you like, I can pull up a list for you.
There are a number of good hospitals in your region. Perhaps they can
provide you with some powerful psychotropic medications so that you can
regain some level of sanity (although that prospect is doubtful at best.)
If you have a medical practice, how is it that you find the time to post
several hundred messages a day and linger, like a turd that won't go down
with one flush, here in this newsgroup for 10 hours a day?

Reality check for the good doctor.




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Qadosh Stephanos
2007-03-04 16:39:42 UTC
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On 3 Mar 2007 22:02:22 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Qadosh Stephanos
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.
http://tinyurl.com/253n52
Amen.
"Darwin's Theory of Evolution is satan's beast from the sea." -- Holy
Spirit
Amen.
Post by gaedhealic
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/8e06fda26ea898dd?
May G-D continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more dear brethren whom I love unconditionally.
And to think Charles was at one time a Christian.
I guess that blows up that theology of Calvinism.
Well, I guess were back at the start with Luther.
Without the LORD, your thoughts and guesses are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes)
Thanks for your reply. It was nothing.
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Kurt Gavin
2007-03-04 16:42:15 UTC
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"Andrew B. Chung, MDemon/PhDemon" loves Revernd Tedi Haggard


If you were "elect", you wouldn't have thought the world was coming to an
end, yesterday.

The only thing you are "elect" to is a mental instituion.
Machete
2007-03-04 17:57:42 UTC
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Post by Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MDemon/PhDemon" loves Revernd Tedi Haggard
If you were "elect", you wouldn't have thought the world was coming to an
end, yesterday.
The only thing you are "elect" to is a mental instituion.
Chung should have been certified at birth.



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las
2007-03-04 00:58:21 UTC
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Post by gaedhealic
Sure and Certain Evidence that Some of "the very elect" CAN be deceived
your posts are clear evidence of this.and its you doing it, not
"satan"
Post by gaedhealic
by Satan! Mat 24:24
* 'We the undersigned, [10,000] Christian clergy from many different
traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the
discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist' -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/19162.htm
The "discoveries of modern science" are not "Facts."
The "Facts" don't lie or contradict the Word of God. That part of
"modern science" which contradicts God's Word is the assumptions modern
science based upon the practice of sophistry, and the false conclusions
that sophistry has lead to.
As Day and Night cannot, Lies and Truth can not coexist! "...for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion
hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14.
This world and universe is not Billions of years old - that is a lie of
Satan.
God did not use evolution to 'generate' life from pond scum, nor did He
allow a monkey to mutate into a human and that human to mate with a
monkey to procreate the human race - that is a lie of Satan.
If you want to believe the lies of modern science, go ahead, believe
what you wish.
As for me, I believe God.http://tinyurl.com/253n52
owd
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