::: vera :::
2005-10-01 06:11:20 UTC
Patrick Michael Sullivan and Barbara Schwarz (and some others) out
people in the suicide newsgroups if they do not join in their
persecution of some posters. When I had a closer look at what this
person had told me in private e-mail about some posters there, I wanted
to see real proof, but they could not show me any. Instead, they started
outing me and attacking me. They do this with suicidal people there,
too.
Patrick Michael Sullivan's Scientologic "Sis" Barbara Schwarz started
outing me and posted about the illness of my son in April (which I had
shared in private e-mail with Patrick Michael Sullivan and her - my
friends know about this, too, as I bcc'ed the updates of his recovery,
and I had asked all of them to keep this secret) and my real name after
I had asked for proof against those people they were attacking in ASH,
which they could not show. All they had were articles they had written
themselves under their 1000+ nicks, and they thought I was stupid enough
not to see...
They cover Doug Wiser, who sent suicide methods to a confused and
suicidal person called "Little_Chris" and offered him to "help die",
which he did a short while after that very mysteriously. There seems to
be much more wrong with the deaths in the suicide newsgroups, and so
they try everything to shut people up.
I can only warn everybody here to stay out of this if you do not want to
be treated like some suicidals were there.
Patrick Michael Sullivan wrote very nice e-mails to me in the beginning
(he started them, not me) and told me lies about the suicide newsgroups
and the posters there. He accused someone of being a "pro suicider" -
but there is no proof for that at all. In fact, Doug Wiser who they
cover, is one, and he has also written that he encourages suicide.
In fact, I do not care if anybody in the usenet believes me or not, but
I cannot stand injustice and innocent suicidal people being outed and
libelled. I will stand up for that - which I regard to be my duty as a
Christian. I hope there will be an investigation of all the events in
ASH soon.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/browse_frm/thread/...
This is just an example of how Patrick Michael Sullivan (=
***@myway.com) fakes "proof"... See how this poster seems to
speak to himself? Patrick Michael Sullivan nuked his posts there. But
they are quoted there, and it is obvious.
And look how they burden suicidal people there and add to their pain,
which really could drive them over the edge, and also look that they are
afraid of being murdered (I was in January when someone called me and
wrote threats to my personal mailbox, partly in German - saying to have
relatives in Germany - see in my reaction in January that I was
frightened that physical harm was done to me because of that, too. I
could not sleep for weeks due to the fear, but I wonder what effect such
a matter might have on suicidal people?):
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Subject: Doug Wiser: A truly dangerous troll
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All of the below is true and provable.
Doug believes I goaded Suzy G. into suicide,
which is not true, and verifiable by outside sources.
I merely talked to her about her reasons for her
wanting to suicide, and she chatted with me about
her desire to die.
Doug has taken this to an extreme level: He is now
inflaming Suzy G.'s father into hating me, to the
point where Doug suggested that I should be
tortured and killed by Suzy's father. He is inflaming
a man in deep grief.
Douglas Wiser is doing everything he can to destroy
my life. He told Suzy's father that I am THE reason
Suzy G. is dead, and that he (Doug) could have saved
her life if I hadn't talked to her. Suzy had tried to
commit suicide several times before she suceeded.
She hated Doug, and would have never listened to his
counsel. But she listened to me, and I told her that I
would support any decision she made, while trying to
help her find a way through her problems. Her
boyfriend was goading her into suicide, telling her to
"just go ahead and kill yourself already".
All of the above is the honest truth, as I see it. Please
be careful in your dealings with Douglass Wiser. As
far as I know, Doug has inflamed Suzy's father to the
point that he may hunt me down and kill me (a novel
method to ctb).
I know this post may make things worse, but I feel
compelled to tell my story. If I die from murder, please
know that ash was worth dying for. I am humbled to
have had the pleasure to communicate with some of
the finest people in the world. And it would be an
honor to die for such a cause.
Peace be to all ashers, and be careful.
Sincerely,
River
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more than smart thing to do. What Doug does is what
he does. I can't control him, the way that he would like
to control me. I will fight to the death, literally, on this issue.
There may be no choice. Your insight on all these things is
dead on. Everything you said is true, and I do understand
what you said, especially the part about the abusive nature
of people.
The reason I understand Doug and what he is trying to do
is that my father was very similar. A person who will do
anything, anything, to maintain their position of power. I
was abused incredibly, as you sound like you were, and I
just won't let it happen again. I was a child then, but now
I know better, and would rather die than be under the
thumb of a mad tyrant. This would not be a dishonorable
death, not in my book.
Your observations about the trolls, and their paternalistic
attitude (in a previous post) were well thought out, very
astute. You understand as well as anyone can about this
type of relationship. And we are both done with being
treated this way; death would be preferable to living under
totalitarian conditions. I think I understand you more than
ever, and respect your right to exit at your will. Again, ash
will miss you, but I'll defend to the death your right to post
and to preserve your self respect. I wish I had gotten to
know you better, but alas.
Don't feel sorry for me. If I die in this battle, it will be with
this thought in my head, from A Tale of Two Cities, by
Charles Dickens. "Tis a far far better thing I do than I have
ever done before, tis a far far better place I go than I have
ever been."
river
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That is what they are doing: frighten people to death, even suicidal
people, and intruding into their real lives, inflaming others by
accusing posters falsely and passing this on. There is so much more
proof of that...
If something happens to me, you will know where to look now. In my
opinion that the same gang that outed me in January in the suicide
newsgroups is the same that outed all the other people in ASH,
informed
their bosses, their family or head masters of schools or even the
police, and did not care if the suicidal people found themselves in a
police cell later and had to explain this to the people in their real
lives. They even had a list of people who they planned to persecute by
outing them. But one of them did not submit... I can only admire and
respect him for that. But what did they do to him? They sneaked into
his
private life and lied at his former girl-friend, who gave them his
name
and phone number... And then they outed him in the suicide newsgroups,
which nearly cost his life. (I am glad it did not.) They ruined his
good
reputation completely, and he sued Patrick Michael Sullivan for his
cyber stalking. Patrick Michael Sullivan has threatened him several
times, and he once posted that he would have to pay for that...
Patrick Michael Sullivan acts like a Scientologist with his stalking
and
outing methods, and he calls his best friend Barbara Schwarz (ex-news
agent president for Scientology in Germany before she went insane and
to
a sanatory) his "Sis". So if they are in one family of believers, and
she is Scientologist, he is one, too.
Would a Christian ever write such a horror to a single mother like
Patrick Michael Sullivan did below, using his nick
also
in capital letters and in the subject line so people might find it in
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Subject: [WARNING - many swear words] For Vera Six, the fucking bitch
from hell who lives in nazi germany
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If you don't like swear words, then don't read this fucking post.
Vera, Grace wrote some pretty strong words the other night. Now it's
my
fucking turn.
Vera Six, you are a fucking nazi bitch. And I don't EVER refer to
women
as bitches, or whores, or sluts, but in this case it's warranted,
because most of the emails I get about you the people call you a
"fucking bitch" anyway, so I guess I will too, you fucking bitch.
BTW, you asked why I was in a suicidal newsgroup. Well, it's because I
am suicidal and depressed, you stupid fucking bitch. I have been this
since I was 10 years old and this depression and the suicidal feelings
that go along with it have gone on for over 30 years of my life now.
Imagine living like that for over 30 fucking years and wishing to be
fucking dead every fucking day? Yeah, I put on a pretty good front.
But
underneath, I am just as weak as the next guy or girl around here.
I don't often talk about my feelings on this newsgroup, because of the
stalkers here that will use it against me. If I need to talk, I make a
phone call or email a friend or whatever. But I don't talk about my
stuff here.
You are a fucking piece of shit, VERA SIX. You have used personal
details of my life to attack me. You came on to be as being a sincere,
caring, loving human being. But fucking hell, you lied your fucking
face off to me, and about me, you miserable, cocking sucking piece of
shit. I wish you to be fucking dead, VERA SIX. I hope you rot in
fucking hell, you cock sucking, fucking whore. How's that grab you,
VERA SIX? Fuck off and die, you self admitted witch.
You have spread rumors about me from the get go. AND I DID NOTHING TO
PROVOKE THESE SICK ATTACKS AND LIES FROM YOU, you trailer trash bitch.
So when you are posting your fucking lies and fucking bull shit about
me, just remember that you are posting to a man who often it sitting
on
the edge of a cliff. I often don't give a fuck whether I live or die.
There are just 2 people I now live for, 1 of them especially, as this
person needs me. If it were not for them, I would be outta this
fucking
hell hole called life.
So fuck off and die, VERA SIX, you fucking ugly, stalking, lying, cock
sucking, miserable fucking bitch.
Once again, I apologize to everyone for using cuss words on these
groups. But not to Vera Six. Because she truly is a lying fucking
bitch.
end of rant.
~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I really fear for my life and my saftey after my name was published
again, and after believing that the author of this post above is one
of the people who intimidated me in January, and after the threats
there
that were aimed at me because I posted in the suicide newsgroups. This
is all a result of the inflaming to stalk me and cross the line into
my private real life, which was done by Barbara Schwarz and Patrick
Michael Sullivan (and helpers, but I will exclude Albert Visscher from
this
list, because I regard him to be one of their victim who they abused
and inflamed just like they inflamed me in the beginning of this year,
and I saw Albert Visscher has really repented of what he did to me - so
I
will forgive him and leave him out there if he really stops his
persecution
now - I think he is rather young and may have learned something). I
fear that this aggressive and vile poster Patrick Michael Sullivan might
continue to intervene into my real life, and I also think my fears are
reasoned enough. I will have to protect myself somehow against this
hate machine who does not even stop with his hate when he deals with
suicidal people in suicide groups. It might give him a feeling of power
to
abuse people like he does there. Threatening or posting things like he
did
to me above shows how much an abuser of women he is. Should any men ever
talk to a woman like that? I wonder what he might do to me (or others)
in real life.
Weird enough, the outings of my address in January were posted just at
the same time when Patrick Michael Sullivan started to write private
e-mails to me. I believe that he wanted to find out about my reaction
and my plans with regard to this outing. The German e-mail containing
that "someone might visit me at home" if I did not leave ASH after
being outed was written in the same style of German that Barbara Schwarz
writes in her German posts.
Who is doing this to single mums? Who is doing this in suicide
newsgroups to suicidal people, too?
I was intimidated in January, but I am not afraid anymore. No bully
like Patrick Michael Sullivan and gangster friends can intimidate me,
neither by sending e-mails to my pastor nor threatening me to do me
personal
harm and "visit me at home".
Why am I doing this?
I am doing this for the people in ASH who were and are persecuted by
them.
I hope there will soon be an investigation.
And of course, report it to the police, and as far as you will tear my
person in there, I am glad to help any officials clearing all these
things up.
The more they call for the police, the more the chance that these
people will be stopped soon. I have much to tell to the police. And I
have
nothing to hide.
::: vera :::
____________________________________________________
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=patrick&qt_s=Search&enc_author=VALl...
This entre little war began out of Vera's own jealousy. She was
enraged with the fact that Barbara and I were/are very close. At
that time, Vera and I were friends. But for whatever reason, Vera
began to state that I was a Scientologist and involved in a criminal
organization. Both I am not. Her behaviour was totally odd and her
attacks against me came out of the blue. I did nothing to her to
cause her attacks on me. I never posted her full name until she did
that to me.
people in the suicide newsgroups if they do not join in their
persecution of some posters. When I had a closer look at what this
person had told me in private e-mail about some posters there, I wanted
to see real proof, but they could not show me any. Instead, they started
outing me and attacking me. They do this with suicidal people there,
too.
Patrick Michael Sullivan's Scientologic "Sis" Barbara Schwarz started
outing me and posted about the illness of my son in April (which I had
shared in private e-mail with Patrick Michael Sullivan and her - my
friends know about this, too, as I bcc'ed the updates of his recovery,
and I had asked all of them to keep this secret) and my real name after
I had asked for proof against those people they were attacking in ASH,
which they could not show. All they had were articles they had written
themselves under their 1000+ nicks, and they thought I was stupid enough
not to see...
They cover Doug Wiser, who sent suicide methods to a confused and
suicidal person called "Little_Chris" and offered him to "help die",
which he did a short while after that very mysteriously. There seems to
be much more wrong with the deaths in the suicide newsgroups, and so
they try everything to shut people up.
I can only warn everybody here to stay out of this if you do not want to
be treated like some suicidals were there.
Patrick Michael Sullivan wrote very nice e-mails to me in the beginning
(he started them, not me) and told me lies about the suicide newsgroups
and the posters there. He accused someone of being a "pro suicider" -
but there is no proof for that at all. In fact, Doug Wiser who they
cover, is one, and he has also written that he encourages suicide.
In fact, I do not care if anybody in the usenet believes me or not, but
I cannot stand injustice and innocent suicidal people being outed and
libelled. I will stand up for that - which I regard to be my duty as a
Christian. I hope there will be an investigation of all the events in
ASH soon.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/browse_frm/thread/...
This is just an example of how Patrick Michael Sullivan (=
***@myway.com) fakes "proof"... See how this poster seems to
speak to himself? Patrick Michael Sullivan nuked his posts there. But
they are quoted there, and it is obvious.
And look how they burden suicidal people there and add to their pain,
which really could drive them over the edge, and also look that they are
afraid of being murdered (I was in January when someone called me and
wrote threats to my personal mailbox, partly in German - saying to have
relatives in Germany - see in my reaction in January that I was
frightened that physical harm was done to me because of that, too. I
could not sleep for weeks due to the fear, but I wonder what effect such
a matter might have on suicidal people?):
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Subject: Doug Wiser: A truly dangerous troll
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All of the below is true and provable.
Doug believes I goaded Suzy G. into suicide,
which is not true, and verifiable by outside sources.
I merely talked to her about her reasons for her
wanting to suicide, and she chatted with me about
her desire to die.
Doug has taken this to an extreme level: He is now
inflaming Suzy G.'s father into hating me, to the
point where Doug suggested that I should be
tortured and killed by Suzy's father. He is inflaming
a man in deep grief.
Douglas Wiser is doing everything he can to destroy
my life. He told Suzy's father that I am THE reason
Suzy G. is dead, and that he (Doug) could have saved
her life if I hadn't talked to her. Suzy had tried to
commit suicide several times before she suceeded.
She hated Doug, and would have never listened to his
counsel. But she listened to me, and I told her that I
would support any decision she made, while trying to
help her find a way through her problems. Her
boyfriend was goading her into suicide, telling her to
"just go ahead and kill yourself already".
All of the above is the honest truth, as I see it. Please
be careful in your dealings with Douglass Wiser. As
far as I know, Doug has inflamed Suzy's father to the
point that he may hunt me down and kill me (a novel
method to ctb).
I know this post may make things worse, but I feel
compelled to tell my story. If I die from murder, please
know that ash was worth dying for. I am humbled to
have had the pleasure to communicate with some of
the finest people in the world. And it would be an
honor to die for such a cause.
Peace be to all ashers, and be careful.
Sincerely,
River
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Subject: Re: Doug Wiser: A truly dangerous troll
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I was semi-warned about Douggie ahead of time from having read the
back
articles of the newsgroup on this news server. Even so, the reality
was
atback
articles of the newsgroup on this news server. Even so, the reality
was
least somewhat worse than what I had come to anticipate. I have met
few
people with quite the level Douggie's "skill" for twisting words. I
have
also met few people with Douggie's level of subsurface malice. (Not
to
mention his absolute impenetrability when it comes to trying to
explain
issues of fact that he clearly misunderstands, even just about
rather impersonal (?) subjects like current notions about
cosmology.) There is
the manipulatively malicious attitude he came to display toward me
reminded me
far too much of certain abusive relatives I have also long since
walked
away from.
I am sorry, River, that the likes of Douggie has it in for you.
Among the
reasons I quit trying to talk to him, even to the point of not
reading replies to him, was I could see things between Douggie and
me perhaps
goingfew
people with quite the level Douggie's "skill" for twisting words. I
have
also met few people with Douggie's level of subsurface malice. (Not
to
mention his absolute impenetrability when it comes to trying to
explain
issues of fact that he clearly misunderstands, even just about
rather impersonal (?) subjects like current notions about
cosmology.) There is
the manipulatively malicious attitude he came to display toward me
reminded me
far too much of certain abusive relatives I have also long since
walked
away from.
I am sorry, River, that the likes of Douggie has it in for you.
Among the
reasons I quit trying to talk to him, even to the point of not
reading replies to him, was I could see things between Douggie and
me perhaps
in some direction like that eventually, and I did not want to go
there.
I hope this works out for you better than you fear it might.
--U
I wanted to email you, but you are being private, athere.
I hope this works out for you better than you fear it might.
--U
more than smart thing to do. What Doug does is what
he does. I can't control him, the way that he would like
to control me. I will fight to the death, literally, on this issue.
There may be no choice. Your insight on all these things is
dead on. Everything you said is true, and I do understand
what you said, especially the part about the abusive nature
of people.
The reason I understand Doug and what he is trying to do
is that my father was very similar. A person who will do
anything, anything, to maintain their position of power. I
was abused incredibly, as you sound like you were, and I
just won't let it happen again. I was a child then, but now
I know better, and would rather die than be under the
thumb of a mad tyrant. This would not be a dishonorable
death, not in my book.
Your observations about the trolls, and their paternalistic
attitude (in a previous post) were well thought out, very
astute. You understand as well as anyone can about this
type of relationship. And we are both done with being
treated this way; death would be preferable to living under
totalitarian conditions. I think I understand you more than
ever, and respect your right to exit at your will. Again, ash
will miss you, but I'll defend to the death your right to post
and to preserve your self respect. I wish I had gotten to
know you better, but alas.
Don't feel sorry for me. If I die in this battle, it will be with
this thought in my head, from A Tale of Two Cities, by
Charles Dickens. "Tis a far far better thing I do than I have
ever done before, tis a far far better place I go than I have
ever been."
river
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That is what they are doing: frighten people to death, even suicidal
people, and intruding into their real lives, inflaming others by
accusing posters falsely and passing this on. There is so much more
proof of that...
If something happens to me, you will know where to look now. In my
opinion that the same gang that outed me in January in the suicide
newsgroups is the same that outed all the other people in ASH,
informed
their bosses, their family or head masters of schools or even the
police, and did not care if the suicidal people found themselves in a
police cell later and had to explain this to the people in their real
lives. They even had a list of people who they planned to persecute by
outing them. But one of them did not submit... I can only admire and
respect him for that. But what did they do to him? They sneaked into
his
private life and lied at his former girl-friend, who gave them his
name
and phone number... And then they outed him in the suicide newsgroups,
which nearly cost his life. (I am glad it did not.) They ruined his
good
reputation completely, and he sued Patrick Michael Sullivan for his
cyber stalking. Patrick Michael Sullivan has threatened him several
times, and he once posted that he would have to pay for that...
Patrick Michael Sullivan acts like a Scientologist with his stalking
and
outing methods, and he calls his best friend Barbara Schwarz (ex-news
agent president for Scientology in Germany before she went insane and
to
a sanatory) his "Sis". So if they are in one family of believers, and
she is Scientologist, he is one, too.
Would a Christian ever write such a horror to a single mother like
Patrick Michael Sullivan did below, using his nick
also
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Subject: [WARNING - many swear words] For Vera Six, the fucking bitch
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If you don't like swear words, then don't read this fucking post.
Vera, Grace wrote some pretty strong words the other night. Now it's
my
fucking turn.
Vera Six, you are a fucking nazi bitch. And I don't EVER refer to
women
as bitches, or whores, or sluts, but in this case it's warranted,
because most of the emails I get about you the people call you a
"fucking bitch" anyway, so I guess I will too, you fucking bitch.
BTW, you asked why I was in a suicidal newsgroup. Well, it's because I
am suicidal and depressed, you stupid fucking bitch. I have been this
since I was 10 years old and this depression and the suicidal feelings
that go along with it have gone on for over 30 years of my life now.
Imagine living like that for over 30 fucking years and wishing to be
fucking dead every fucking day? Yeah, I put on a pretty good front.
But
underneath, I am just as weak as the next guy or girl around here.
I don't often talk about my feelings on this newsgroup, because of the
stalkers here that will use it against me. If I need to talk, I make a
phone call or email a friend or whatever. But I don't talk about my
stuff here.
You are a fucking piece of shit, VERA SIX. You have used personal
details of my life to attack me. You came on to be as being a sincere,
caring, loving human being. But fucking hell, you lied your fucking
face off to me, and about me, you miserable, cocking sucking piece of
shit. I wish you to be fucking dead, VERA SIX. I hope you rot in
fucking hell, you cock sucking, fucking whore. How's that grab you,
VERA SIX? Fuck off and die, you self admitted witch.
You have spread rumors about me from the get go. AND I DID NOTHING TO
PROVOKE THESE SICK ATTACKS AND LIES FROM YOU, you trailer trash bitch.
So when you are posting your fucking lies and fucking bull shit about
me, just remember that you are posting to a man who often it sitting
on
the edge of a cliff. I often don't give a fuck whether I live or die.
There are just 2 people I now live for, 1 of them especially, as this
person needs me. If it were not for them, I would be outta this
fucking
hell hole called life.
So fuck off and die, VERA SIX, you fucking ugly, stalking, lying, cock
sucking, miserable fucking bitch.
Once again, I apologize to everyone for using cuss words on these
groups. But not to Vera Six. Because she truly is a lying fucking
bitch.
end of rant.
~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
again, and after believing that the author of this post above is one
of the people who intimidated me in January, and after the threats
there
that were aimed at me because I posted in the suicide newsgroups. This
is all a result of the inflaming to stalk me and cross the line into
my private real life, which was done by Barbara Schwarz and Patrick
Michael Sullivan (and helpers, but I will exclude Albert Visscher from
this
list, because I regard him to be one of their victim who they abused
and inflamed just like they inflamed me in the beginning of this year,
and I saw Albert Visscher has really repented of what he did to me - so
I
will forgive him and leave him out there if he really stops his
persecution
now - I think he is rather young and may have learned something). I
fear that this aggressive and vile poster Patrick Michael Sullivan might
continue to intervene into my real life, and I also think my fears are
reasoned enough. I will have to protect myself somehow against this
hate machine who does not even stop with his hate when he deals with
suicidal people in suicide groups. It might give him a feeling of power
to
abuse people like he does there. Threatening or posting things like he
did
to me above shows how much an abuser of women he is. Should any men ever
talk to a woman like that? I wonder what he might do to me (or others)
in real life.
Weird enough, the outings of my address in January were posted just at
the same time when Patrick Michael Sullivan started to write private
e-mails to me. I believe that he wanted to find out about my reaction
and my plans with regard to this outing. The German e-mail containing
that "someone might visit me at home" if I did not leave ASH after
being outed was written in the same style of German that Barbara Schwarz
writes in her German posts.
Who is doing this to single mums? Who is doing this in suicide
newsgroups to suicidal people, too?
I was intimidated in January, but I am not afraid anymore. No bully
like Patrick Michael Sullivan and gangster friends can intimidate me,
neither by sending e-mails to my pastor nor threatening me to do me
personal
harm and "visit me at home".
Why am I doing this?
I am doing this for the people in ASH who were and are persecuted by
them.
I hope there will soon be an investigation.
And of course, report it to the police, and as far as you will tear my
person in there, I am glad to help any officials clearing all these
things up.
The more they call for the police, the more the chance that these
people will be stopped soon. I have much to tell to the police. And I
have
nothing to hide.
::: vera :::
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I only posted who stared the thread not who started all
this mess. I am most certainly aware of who started the
mess and as far as legal action I decided to spend my
money on my Grandson for his upcoming birthday next
month and Christmas. If anyone else wants to sue me in
a court of law all I can say is go for it because if
they sue me they actually get nothing because I have
nothing. I live with family, I don't drive, and I only
get SSDI and no one is permitted to touch that by law
so they can sue away but doesn't mean they will get
anything. To coin a phrase...You can't get blood out of
a turnip.
Vera won't sue you. She hasn't got the money. Anyway, she's toothis mess. I am most certainly aware of who started the
mess and as far as legal action I decided to spend my
money on my Grandson for his upcoming birthday next
month and Christmas. If anyone else wants to sue me in
a court of law all I can say is go for it because if
they sue me they actually get nothing because I have
nothing. I live with family, I don't drive, and I only
get SSDI and no one is permitted to touch that by law
so they can sue away but doesn't mean they will get
anything. To coin a phrase...You can't get blood out of
a turnip.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=patrick&qt_s=Search&enc_author=VALl...
This entre little war began out of Vera's own jealousy. She was
enraged with the fact that Barbara and I were/are very close. At
that time, Vera and I were friends. But for whatever reason, Vera
began to state that I was a Scientologist and involved in a criminal
organization. Both I am not. Her behaviour was totally odd and her
attacks against me came out of the blue. I did nothing to her to
cause her attacks on me. I never posted her full name until she did
that to me.