Post by duke Post by Peter B. Post by duke Post by Peter B. Post by duke Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Satan is looking forward to the fresh meat coming his way.
Post by Peter B.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).
You have to receive the truth first , then if you turn away what is said is
Of course, and Christian baptism is that truth.
Post by Peter B.
To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.
Until you find out you're only "saved" until your next mortal sin, which is
willfully telling God you know better than he about right v wrong.
According to the verse you keep repeating, without knowledge, it says there
remains no more sacrifice for your sin. Hebrews 10:26-27. Since a sacrifice
must be made for the remission of sins how then can you be forgiven?
Either you believe Gods word or you believe the RCC religion which does not
follow the word of God regarding salvation.
Duke, as an aside. Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity because of rituals and the things they do to
control our lives. The RCC is not the only one held culpable a lot of
religions do this. You must follow a certain format in a certain path in
order to be correct of perfected. The RCC would hold purgatory over your
head, penance at the direction of man over your head, tithes and offerings
over your head, rituals over your head and life. Set themselves up as being
the full arbitrator of your spiritual life instead of Jesus, the only ones
that can forgive you, sanctify a marriage, grant a divorce plus a host of
things that no church has a right to control.
I realize that carnal beings have innate weaknesses and a feeling that they
*must* do something in order to deserve righteousness and that a ritual,
especially a demanded ritual often fills the self righteous need to be
"good". Problem is we err far more often than we "do good" and those that
recognize that and make the extra effort to be _really_ good will go to a
monastery or a nunnery. However even that will not satisfy their needs and
many sin in those places to satisfy their overpowering carnal desires.
When we receive Jesus as our Savior we are made, yes, by being born again,
we are made the Righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, and then we are
sealed by His Spirit as belonging to Him. His mark on our lives. Then after
receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit we are empowered to do the things
we ought to be doing in the first place. Now we through the renewing of our
minds learn to control the carnal desires of the flesh so that we can live
outwardly as we should be doing. By doing this we start exhibiting the
fruit of the Spirit such as living in Joy, Peace with all people, as much
as possible, Love, Kindness, Gentleness, and other things against which
there is no law. We do these things as we learn, they start blossoming out
as we grow. They are natural fruits of the spirit.
So as this happens the backbiting, wrath, hatred, discontent, bitterness
and such start sliding into the background and away from our lives. This
can happen because Jesus gave us gifts, and did that freely, and at great
sacrifice. The gift of faith, then salvation, becoming a new creation, a
temple of God, the Holy Spirit to fill that Temple, then He gives us the
tools and power to live the life He would have us be, as examples of Him.
He, Jesus now calls us Friend, and God calls us son or daughter. Such a
royal family we are now part of and like cinderella or cinderfella we have
to learn to walk like those to whom this is all natural. We have been
elevated from a human condemned to death, to the family of God and eternal
life. We need to learn how to walk therein.
We ought not to take this lightly as many do and I believe Paul makes
reference to this. We are given gifts at a very costly price that being the
sacrifice that Jesus made for us.
Duke, since Jesus paid this great price, at great expense to Himself, how
on earth could He hold back anything from us? Things like healings,
deliverance, miracles, wondrous signs, and salvation which we somehow seem
to find easier to believe and accept than the rest.
God did not do these things to give to some organization to dole out as
they think fit, or for a sum of monies.
Post by duke
However, without John's baptism, you will carry the stain of the sin of A&E on
your soul to the grave, and that's bad. Jessu well said that you cannot enter
the kingdom of God unless you are baptized in water (John's) and the Holy Spirit
It is born of water and the Spirit, which speaks to our human birth and
The way you describe it the person on a cross next to Jesus could not have
entered into heaven with Jesus Like He said.
Post by duke Post by Peter B.
To every man is given a measure of faith to believe. Faith cometh by
hearing and hearing by the word of God. Babies cannot do any of this nor do
they have to.
Faith, yes, but faith without works is dead faith. Hecky darn, you know, I just
can't hide from what Jesus taught us.
I sure hope so and not just what your church teaches you. A baby who was
baptized cannot do works. A baby cannot even believe.