Discussion:
The Truth Will Set You Free (from sin)
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Peter B.
2011-02-17 07:48:56 UTC
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Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces. The law magnifies sin by focusing on it to show us we
are sinners. (this is to the Jew of course, for the gentile was never under
this bondage.) This passage is of course before any of the teachings of
Paul regarding the law and our freedom from it.


31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the
truth will set you free.” 33 They answered him, “We are offspring of
Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How is it that you say,
'You will become free'?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits
sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever;
the son remains forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free
indeed. 37 I know that you are offspring of Abraham; yet you seek to kill
me because my word finds no place in you. 38 I speak of what I have seen
with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”
The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001 (Jn 8:31-38).

This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.


Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Any time satan tries to lay a guilt trip on you tell him to back off in
Jesus name based on this verse above. As a believer in the Lord Jesus
Christ you have been set free!

Then as Paul has said,....let them be accursed..
Galatians 1:8-9 (King James Version)

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Read the rest of Galatians for the full backup of this teaching.

Here you see that Jesus our Saviors Gospel is the same as what some try to
make out as Pauls teachings. So-called Scholars try to water this all down
and seek to put us under the Law as do the RCC's thereby demeaning the work
of Jesus Christ on the cross as the sacrifice for out sins.

As Jesus said, those He sets free are free indeed. Be freed in Jesus name.
duke
2011-02-17 17:08:53 UTC
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Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.

The dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Peter B.
2011-02-17 18:17:37 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
There is no such thing as the papacy in the Bible. There is no such thing
as religion in the NT other than feeding the poor, clothing the homeless,
etc. There is no ritual, other than communion. All days every day are Holy
Days.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Yes, so true, in His word.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Duke, there is only one way to God and Heaven and that is through Jesus
Christ. Just because one calls themselves Christian does not make it so as
far as God is concerned. One can live in a monastery, heal the sick and
cast out demons and never have accepted Christ.

Those not in Jesus go to the Lake of Fire at the end of the ages. Those
that turn away from Him face the same fate.
Jim
2011-02-18 00:37:12 UTC
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There is no such thing
as religion in the NT other than feeding the poor, clothing the homeless,
etc.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Peter B.
2011-02-18 04:16:05 UTC
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There is no such thing
as religion in the NT other than feeding the poor, clothing the homeless,
etc.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Yes, thank you Jim. It was one of the main sticking points also that the
Jewish believer wanted the gentile church to follow at one of their first
mini-conferences with Paul.

Somehow religion gets tossed into the mix and many believe they are
following a religion and sadly many churches buy into that and propagate
the idea.
Jim
2011-02-18 14:24:24 UTC
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There is no such thing
as religion in the NT other than feeding the poor, clothing the homeless,
etc.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Yes, thank you Jim. It was one of the main sticking points also that the
Jewish believer wanted the gentile church to follow at one of their first
mini-conferences with Paul.
Somehow religion gets tossed into the mix and many believe they are
following a religion and sadly many churches buy into that and propagate
the idea.
I can't find a scripture where Jesus was noted to have said
'I come to give you religion.' I sure am glad and happy which
is to say 'glappy' for that.

religion is man made for the purpose of enslaving and controlling
people. the best any man will do is to ask Jesus to come into their
life and then to be in fellowship with Jesus. to believe and abide
in Jesus will produce the fruit of the Spirit in the believer.

it is the fruit of the Spirit in the believer that will produce
the obedience in the believer creating the place where Jesus will
abide and increase the fruit. Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the
vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

if you find this relationship to be an effortless joy then it is
because Jesus is doing the hard part, which is to say, "the work".
we must understand how it is we are unable on our own to earn
salvation and we are also unable on our own to create any real
and lasting joy in the here and now.
Peter B.
2011-02-18 14:54:56 UTC
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Post by Peter B.
There is no such thing
as religion in the NT other than feeding the poor, clothing the homeless,
etc.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Yes, thank you Jim. It was one of the main sticking points also that the
Jewish believer wanted the gentile church to follow at one of their first
mini-conferences with Paul.
Somehow religion gets tossed into the mix and many believe they are
following a religion and sadly many churches buy into that and propagate
the idea.
I can't find a scripture where Jesus was noted to have said
'I come to give you religion.' I sure am glad and happy which
is to say 'glappy' for that.
religion is man made for the purpose of enslaving and controlling
people. the best any man will do is to ask Jesus to come into their
life and then to be in fellowship with Jesus. to believe and abide
in Jesus will produce the fruit of the Spirit in the believer.
it is the fruit of the Spirit in the believer that will produce
the obedience in the believer creating the place where Jesus will
abide and increase the fruit. Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the
vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
if you find this relationship to be an effortless joy then it is
because Jesus is doing the hard part, which is to say, "the work".
we must understand how it is we are unable on our own to earn
salvation and we are also unable on our own to create any real
and lasting joy in the here and now.
Amen! to that!

Matthew 11:28-30 (King James Version)

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give
you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Yes, He wants us to trade in our old burdens an and pick up His. He Gives
us not only light burdens, but provides us the tools to handle them by His
Holy Spirit.

Psalm 55:22 (King James Version)

22 Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never
suffer the righteous to be moved.

Here we see this is a continuous care that God has always had for men who
follow Him.

And again....

1 Peter 5:7 (King James Version)

7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

God is good!
duke
2011-02-18 17:57:48 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
There is no such thing as the papacy in the Bible.
The duties of the Holy Father, Peter being the first, is described in Mat
16:13-19. The charter of the Papacy is found in Mat 28:16-20.
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Yes, so true, in His word.
Yep. Yep, welcome to the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Duke, there is only one way to God and Heaven and that is through Jesus
Christ.
That's not what I asked you. What I did ask you is what happens to those that
only give lip service and rejection to Jesus rather than follow thru on his
instructions for the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
Post by Peter B.
Just because one calls themselves Christian does not make it so as
far as God is concerned. One can live in a monastery, heal the sick and
cast out demons and never have accepted Christ.
Being a Christian is not something we claim because we have a Christian card in
our wallet. We are Christian when we follow his teachings.

Mark 8:34 (New International Version, ©2010)

The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever
wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow
me.
Post by Peter B.
Those not in Jesus go to the Lake of Fire at the end of the ages. Those
that turn away from Him face the same fate.
Forget the lake of fire. It's heaven for those that follow Jesus or hell for
those that reject Jesus. And Jesus advises us of our status at the moment we
die.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Peter B.
2011-02-18 18:57:26 UTC
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Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
There is no such thing as the papacy in the Bible.
The duties of the Holy Father, Peter being the first, is described in Mat
16:13-19. The charter of the Papacy is found in Mat 28:16-20.
Incorrect, there is no office of the papacy inferred, listed or noted.
There is no charter of any papacy either, there is a commission given unto
11 apostles, no other office, and it was unto all the Church.

Why you quote those verses I do not know. You already stated that it
doesn't matter what the Bible says it only matters what the RCC says, and
those verses clearly have no statements about any papacy.

Also, in Eph 2:20 it says this, which is agreement with Peter.
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus
himself being the cornerstone,
Post by duke
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Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Yes, so true, in His word.
Yep. Yep, welcome to the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
No, we are His disciples. You mentioned it yourself, above. Why change your
tune now.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Duke, there is only one way to God and Heaven and that is through Jesus
Christ.
That's not what I asked you. What I did ask you is what happens to those that
only give lip service and rejection to Jesus rather than follow thru on his
instructions for the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
No you said, "If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us". Your
church distorts the Bible, the RCC is distorted, the Bible does not agree
with it in principle I believe as do all believers in Jesus Christ, no one
has any faith in a religion or religious institution per the bible. You
statement while correct as the RCC would have it, is incorrect according to
Jesus.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Just because one calls themselves Christian does not make it so as
far as God is concerned. One can live in a monastery, heal the sick and
cast out demons and never have accepted Christ.
Being a Christian is not something we claim because we have a Christian card in
our wallet. We are Christian when we follow his teachings.
If you accept Him into your heart and are born again. Many follow His
teachings thinking He was a good man. But they do not believe in Him, nor
accept Him as God.
Post by duke
Mark 8:34 (New International Version, ©2010)
The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever
wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow
me.
Did Peter or any of His disciples join Jesus on the cross? We know that
Peter denied even knowing him let alone joining him on the cross. Most of
His disciples ran.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Those not in Jesus go to the Lake of Fire at the end of the ages. Those
that turn away from Him face the same fate.
Forget the lake of fire. It's heaven for those that follow Jesus or hell for
those that reject Jesus. And Jesus advises us of our status at the moment we
die.
Show me the scripture for this. I know now what it is for me. Meanwhile you
have to live in fear of dying or get killed before you paid your penance
and no one can save you after your dead.
And it is the lake of Fire .
Michael Christ
2011-02-18 23:06:24 UTC
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"Peter B." wrote in message news:***@4ever.his...
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!

Welcome to the faith then, Bro!

When were you born again??



Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-18 23:18:51 UTC
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
Michael Christ
Around 34-36 years ago I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I was born again
and water baptized some years before that, but am not sure of the time and
date.
Michael Christ
2011-02-18 23:48:45 UTC
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
Around 34-36 years ago I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I was born again
and water baptized some years before that, but am not sure of the time and
date.
Great, for if a man is baptised in the Holy Spirit he is not longer of the
world, he is of God, and sins no more. After all, it is absurd to think
that these crazy religious types can believe a man baptised in the Holy
Spirit would sin against God. That is like saying Jesus sinned against the
Father...preposterous!!!

So welcome to the family of God that does not sin (that is FREE from sin)
against God now or forever more, Bro!! Oh the glory of being seated in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus...In Him is no darkness at all. Praise the
Lord!



Michael Christ
Jim
2011-02-19 02:40:17 UTC
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
Around 34-36 years ago I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I was born again
and water baptized some years before that, but am not sure of the time and
date.
Great, for if a man is baptised in the Holy Spirit he is not longer of the
world, he is of God, and sins no more. After all, it is absurd to think
that these crazy religious types can believe a man baptised in the Holy
Spirit would sin against God. That is like saying Jesus sinned against the
Father...preposterous!!!
So welcome to the family of God that does not sin (that is FREE from sin)
against God now or forever more, Bro!! Oh the glory of being seated in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus...In Him is no darkness at all. Praise the
Lord!
Michael Christ
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that
do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the
law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth
no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform
that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which
I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do
it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is
present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against
the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law
of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from
the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with
the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law
of sin.
Peter B.
2011-02-19 04:09:35 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
Around 34-36 years ago I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I was born again
and water baptized some years before that, but am not sure of the time and
date.
Great, for if a man is baptised in the Holy Spirit he is not longer of the
world, he is of God, and sins no more. After all, it is absurd to think
that these crazy religious types can believe a man baptised in the Holy
Spirit would sin against God. That is like saying Jesus sinned against the
Father...preposterous!!!
So welcome to the family of God that does not sin (that is FREE from sin)
against God now or forever more, Bro!! Oh the glory of being seated in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus...In Him is no darkness at all. Praise the
Lord!
Michael Christ
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that
do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the
law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth
no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform
that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which
I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do
it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is
present with me.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against
the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law
of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from
the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with
the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law
of sin.
Thanks again Jim.

This seems to be what is so hard for many to grasp. Yet it isn't difficult.

Walk in the Spirit and we control the carnal flesh. By the renewing of our
minds it becomes easier. Yet we are never to feel so comfortable that we do
not regard the basic lust of the flesh as our enemy.

It is our spirit that is reborn, not the body. This body is to be shed for
an incorruptible body that will match the incorruptible reborn spirit of
man.

Now the errors that the flesh may do is not held or imputed against us
because of the sacrifice of the Lamb. However, we should be very mindful of
that and keep ourselves in the renewed state for if we were to purposefully
and willfully walk away from the Lord there is now no more sacrifice for
our sins.

Hebrews 10:26-30 (King James Version)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation,
which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three
witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,
who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of
the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done
despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will
recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

This also applies to those that refuse Jesus after having been told and
shown the truth.

I would not consider this a hard and fast rule for those that have been
saved, and here is why. In the Church there are those who have committed
grievous sins (this does not include the sin against the Holy Spirit)
anyhow these people who after having been admonished two or three times are
thrown out of the Church and turned over to Satan for the destruction of
the flesh that the spirit might be saved.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (King James Version)

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Are you all a gambling person? Not me. Eternity is endless.
The key word there was "may". We have the promise of the seal of God on our
spirits when we are born again. Which means we have a sealed deal, God and
I, and I am His. However, like the Jews who broke their deal with God, I
would imagine I could do the same, but if I did that there would be no
turning back since only one sacrifice can be made, and it was made nigh
2000 years ago. The verse in Hebrews would then apply.

For all of us, ensure your salvation by walking in it.

If you are reading this and you are nor saved, accept Jesus as Savior
ensure eternal life and become one of Gods own.
Michael Christ
2011-02-19 10:40:47 UTC
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And you Peter B. need to put your personal little bible software search
engine down and get on your knees.

All you ever do is open a page in your head then search the bible to find a
page that suits it.

Your page is not God's page.



Michael Christ




"Peter B." wrote in message news:186ro0ug5xdeu$***@4ever.his...
Peter B.
2011-02-19 14:19:00 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
And you Peter B. need to put your personal little bible software search
engine down and get on your knees.
All you ever do is open a page in your head then search the bible to find a
page that suits it.
Your page is not God's page.
Michael Christ
My page may not be your page, but it comes from reading/studying. Not from
subject searches as a rule.

These are things that mean something special to me, or are unusual, or
things I see as beautiful actions of God. They are easy to ignore and just
bypass if you desire.
Michael Christ
2011-02-19 22:27:52 UTC
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It is you that is bypassing the truth...
Post by Michael Christ
And you Peter B. need to put your personal little bible software search
engine down and get on your knees.
All you ever do is open a page in your head then search the bible to find a
page that suits it.
Your page is not God's page.
Michael Christ
...you were told.


Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-19 04:58:16 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
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So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
Around 34-36 years ago I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I was born again
and water baptized some years before that, but am not sure of the time and
date.
Great, for if a man is baptised in the Holy Spirit he is not longer of the
world, he is of God, and sins no more. After all, it is absurd to think
that these crazy religious types can believe a man baptised in the Holy
Spirit would sin against God. That is like saying Jesus sinned against the
Father...preposterous!!!
So welcome to the family of God that does not sin (that is FREE from sin)
against God now or forever more, Bro!! Oh the glory of being seated in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus...In Him is no darkness at all. Praise the
Lord!
Michael Christ
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that
do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the
law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth
no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform
that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which
I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do
it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is
present with me.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against
the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law
of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from
the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with
the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law
of sin.
In my previous reply I was going to add this towards the end as I did not
want to detract from the extreme importance of the salvation message.

So I copied this paragraph and will inject it here..

[...
Walk in the Spirit and we control the carnal flesh. By the renewing of our
minds it becomes easier. (New: By the renewing of our minds and the
increased knowledge and wisdom that comes with the Holy Spirit, we are also
enabled to do the works of God and manifest Him to the unbelievers not as
renegades but under the auspices of the Church body) Yet we are never to
feel so comfortable that we do not regard the basic lust of the flesh as
our enemy.....]

Being renewed and empowered the gifts of the Spirit, healings, signs and
wonders, miracles, raising of the dead and so on may be manifested through
us so that others might witness the power of God, our miraculous God, and
His Son Jesus.

Our Churches would all be full to overflowing, the worship services would
be full of praise and thanksgiving and our hearts would be flooded with His
Love from the least of us to the greatest.

We all have the commission of Jesus, it is up to us to make ourselves
available as well as be ready to do the work of God. Then to do it where we
are at.
Michael Christ
2011-02-19 10:37:59 UTC
Permalink
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.

I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.

I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.


Michael Christ
(snip)
Peter B.
2011-02-19 14:22:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
Michael Christ
2011-02-19 22:44:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.

What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept?? Well
is He???

Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.

And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."

You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.

I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.





Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-20 04:55:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept?? Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
Michael Christ
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection. If God were to tell me to stop reading His
word if would be because I could quote the entire thing without error and I
would be fully operational in the gifts of the spirit.
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 10:13:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept??
Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection.
Big deal!!

So when are you going to get your approval??

2 Tim 3:17

Huh??

Its the truth...

"You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him."

If you think you are seated in heavenly places with your bible, dream on.
He is a Person, its a Person to person relationship!! You are supposed to
be in one. Do you marry a book on marriage to be married to your wife??
Why would would expect such a thing with God then??
Post by Peter B.
If God were to tell me to stop reading His
word if would be because I could quote the entire thing without error and I
would be fully operational in the gifts of the spirit.
Bull!! You are guessing, you don't know.

You do not set the parameters in your ignorance of the will of God.

You are a masturbator who uses scripture to pleasure yourself, not God.

And if all that is too much for your holiness...

You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??

Hell you people speak through your arse.



Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-20 16:03:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept??
Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection.
Big deal!!
So when are you going to get your approval??
2 Tim 3:17
Huh??
Its the truth...
"You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him."
If you think you are seated in heavenly places with your bible, dream on.
He is a Person, its a Person to person relationship!! You are supposed to
be in one. Do you marry a book on marriage to be married to your wife??
Why would would expect such a thing with God then??
Why then does the Bible give counsel on marriages? Why then should the
older women instruct the younger regarding marriage? yes, at one time or
another we all need counsel regarding marriage.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
If God were to tell me to stop reading His
word if would be because I could quote the entire thing without error and I
would be fully operational in the gifts of the spirit.
Bull!! You are guessing, you don't know.
You do not set the parameters in your ignorance of the will of God.
You are a masturbator who uses scripture to pleasure yourself, not God.
And if all that is too much for your holiness...
You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??
Hell you people speak through your arse.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up. My faith is well founded, I am also
growing via His Word, and I am dependent on His Spirit for the
understandings.
seeker
2011-02-20 16:31:08 UTC
Permalink
On Feb 20, 8:03 am, "Peter B." <***@i.org> wrote:

[....]
Post by Peter B.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up.
Our self-proclaimed Christ does that with nearly everyone. Personally
I find his ramblings to be amusing. If you don't (and of course YMMV)
then I can't think of a reason to read his messages. He alternates
from proclaiming that real Christians do not ever sin, to condemning
everyone else for sins he cannot identify, to spouting outright lies
about others and then he starts it all over again.
Jim
2011-02-20 21:34:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up.
Our self-proclaimed Christ does that with nearly everyone. Personally
I find his ramblings to be amusing. If you don't (and of course YMMV)
then I can't think of a reason to read his messages. He alternates
from proclaiming that real Christians do not ever sin, to condemning
everyone else for sins he cannot identify, to spouting outright lies
about others and then he starts it all over again.
so its not just my own observation.


Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall
hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one
or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every
word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the
church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee
as an heathen man and a publican.
Peter B.
2011-02-20 21:55:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up.
Our self-proclaimed Christ does that with nearly everyone. Personally
I find his ramblings to be amusing. If you don't (and of course YMMV)
then I can't think of a reason to read his messages. He alternates
from proclaiming that real Christians do not ever sin, to condemning
everyone else for sins he cannot identify, to spouting outright lies
about others and then he starts it all over again.
so its not just my own observation.
No.
Post by Jim
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall
hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one
or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every
word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the
church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee
as an heathen man and a publican.
Only in this case it is to put them into a KF if we are to ignore them.
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 22:14:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up.
Our self-proclaimed Christ does that with nearly everyone. Personally
I find his ramblings to be amusing. If you don't (and of course YMMV)
then I can't think of a reason to read his messages. He alternates
from proclaiming that real Christians do not ever sin, to condemning
everyone else for sins he cannot identify, to spouting outright lies
about others and then he starts it all over again.
so its not just my own observation.
:-).

Popularity means you are right, right??

Heck, that means Jesus must have been wrong!! :-).
Post by Jim
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall
hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one
or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every
word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the
church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee
as an heathen man and a publican.
We are not brothers, Jim, neither am I a member of your church. Your church
is not the righteousness of Christ, it is a counterfeit full of sinners and
pretenders, people who have not given their whole life to the Lord...the
minimum.

You have been conned, with the multitude. Many are called, few are chosen.


Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-20 21:52:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up.
Our self-proclaimed Christ does that with nearly everyone. Personally
I find his ramblings to be amusing. If you don't (and of course YMMV)
then I can't think of a reason to read his messages. He alternates
from proclaiming that real Christians do not ever sin, to condemning
everyone else for sins he cannot identify, to spouting outright lies
about others and then he starts it all over again.
Yeah, I have learned to ignore most of his postings.
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 22:15:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Yeah, I have learned to ignore most of his postings.
Well, I promise you, every one of them will be remembered, Peter Perfect.



Michael Christ
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 22:23:44 UTC
Permalink
By the way, when will the truth set you free from your sin?? :-). Eh??

"You Peter B. need to put your personal little bible software search
engine down and get on your knees.

All you ever do is open a page in your head then search the bible to find a
page that suits it.

Your page is not God's page."


Michael Christ

"Peter B." wrote in message news:2zmke6581h4$***@4ever.his...
Peter B.
2011-02-20 22:57:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
By the way, when will the truth set you free from your sin?? :-). Eh??
When I accepted Jesus all that is *all* or _ALL_ my sins were washed away,
and from that point I am being perfected in Jesus. My Spiritual Side is all
ready perfected, my mind is currently under construction and being renewed
and my body will be perfect and completed upon the return of the Lord Jesus
Christ when He appears in the clouds to claim His own.
Post by Michael Christ
"You Peter B. need to put your personal little bible software search
engine down and get on your knees.
My search engine is mainly in my head and my heart. To find the exact
address I sometimes have to look it up. Others want exact quotes and
addresses so why not oblige them, it benefits me too.
Post by Michael Christ
All you ever do is open a page in your head then search the bible to find a
page that suits it.
Hardly, that is why I bought a new guitar recently, its main purpose is to
praise the Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
Your page is not God's page."
My page is in the Book of Life, thanks to Jesus Christ the Living Son of
God.

Yours?
Michael Christ
2011-02-21 02:58:39 UTC
Permalink
You are what we know as a wanker here in Australia and your head is chockers
with theology, Peter B. In reality, in the Spirit, you don't know where you
are!


Michael Christ

"Peter B." wrote in message news:***@4ever.his...

(snip the rhetoric)
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 22:08:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept??
Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection.
Big deal!!
So when are you going to get your approval??
2 Tim 3:17
Huh??
Its the truth...
"You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him."
If you think you are seated in heavenly places with your bible, dream on.
He is a Person, its a Person to person relationship!! You are supposed to
be in one. Do you marry a book on marriage to be married to your wife??
Why would would expect such a thing with God then??
Why then does the Bible give counsel on marriages? Why then should the
older women instruct the younger regarding marriage? yes, at one time or
another we all need counsel regarding marriage.
Jesus is the Word, He is a Person. He is the Way, Truth and the Life.

You missed the point, a marriage is based on interpersonal relationship, not
on 'ink' studies.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
If God were to tell me to stop reading His
word if would be because I could quote the entire thing without error and I
would be fully operational in the gifts of the spirit.
Bull!! You are guessing, you don't know.
You do not set the parameters in your ignorance of the will of God.
You are a masturbator who uses scripture to pleasure yourself, not God.
And if all that is too much for your holiness...
You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??
Hell you people speak through your arse.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up. My faith is well founded, I am also
growing via His Word, and I am dependent on His Spirit for the
understandings.
You are speaking out of your religious arse.

Why don't you go and pin a Bible verse on your fridge and pretend it is in
you? If it was, you wouldn't need to pin it up!!! You are not what you
claim to be!!

"And if all that is too much for your holiness...

You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??"


When are you people ever going to wake up??!! You are living a lie, a
fantasy and you get shown it but you push it aside because it doesn't align
with what you are!! Well, hello???!!!



Michael Christ
Peter B.
2011-02-20 23:07:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept??
Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection.
Big deal!!
So when are you going to get your approval??
2 Tim 3:17
Huh??
Its the truth...
"You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him."
If you think you are seated in heavenly places with your bible, dream on.
He is a Person, its a Person to person relationship!! You are supposed to
be in one. Do you marry a book on marriage to be married to your wife??
Why would would expect such a thing with God then??
Why then does the Bible give counsel on marriages? Why then should the
older women instruct the younger regarding marriage? yes, at one time or
another we all need counsel regarding marriage.
Jesus is the Word, He is a Person. He is the Way, Truth and the Life.
You missed the point, a marriage is based on interpersonal relationship, not
on 'ink' studies.
You assume far too much. You should also be aware that the marriage feast
occurs in Heaven. Right now the Bride is being prepared.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
If God were to tell me to stop reading His
word if would be because I could quote the entire thing without error and I
would be fully operational in the gifts of the spirit.
Bull!! You are guessing, you don't know.
You do not set the parameters in your ignorance of the will of God.
You are a masturbator who uses scripture to pleasure yourself, not God.
And if all that is too much for your holiness...
You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??
Hell you people speak through your arse.
Poor guy, why are you so confused? On one hand you say I am fine, then on
another you say I'm all screwed up. My faith is well founded, I am also
growing via His Word, and I am dependent on His Spirit for the
understandings.
You are speaking out of your religious arse.
Why don't you go and pin a Bible verse on your fridge and pretend it is in
you? If it was, you wouldn't need to pin it up!!! You are not what you
claim to be!!
"And if all that is too much for your holiness...
My righteousness is of the Lord, it is solely His. I have no personal claim
to righteousness for mine is as filthy rags. I have His righteousness,
therefore I also have access in prayer to the Holy of Holy's in the name of
Jesus.
Post by Michael Christ
You spouted the subject line, when will you be set free from sin then,
theology boy??"
When are you people ever going to wake up??!! You are living a lie, a
fantasy and you get shown it but you push it aside because it doesn't align
with what you are!! Well, hello???!!!
Well hello Michael. You have no words to back you up, nor your "theology".
Where is the power? Where is the proof of God's existence in your life?
Since you threw away your Bible and can hardly quote from memory what are
you to do?

If you walked in the spirit and did the works of God then perhaps your
words would have weight. Right now I see no evidence of it. Maybe you need
some ink to link you to Godly understanding?

The Lord taught Paul by His Spirit, and no doubt He can you as well. What
happened to you?
Michael Christ
2011-02-21 03:14:43 UTC
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:13:55 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
No one is justifying carnality. The point is to recognize it exists in this
world and how to overcome it. Otherwise it can catch you by surprise and
pull you down hard like it did Jimmy Swaggart and others. Satan will take
advantage of anything he can to thwart Gods actions. Like prompting someone
to use foul language to make a point.
What are you going to do, Peter, save yourself?? :-). Is God inept??
Well
is He???
Jimmy Swaggart was never 'up'...he just got caught. If you are taken in by
the darkness then the darkness is your love.
And another thing, the truth is never profane. What did you think Jesus
did, sit 'round in fallen human political and moral correctness with
fishermen and talk about the lovely wallpaper?? You and your religious
Swaggart imagery have no idea of what He is like...He calls a spade a damn
spade!! Luke 11:40 "Ye fools..."
You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him.
I know, it is not popular, but neither is He...the real He that is.
I am fully aware of the disappointments that Jesus had with His beloved and
I am likewise aware of His plain speaking to the Pharisee's, His hanging
around real people, the drunks, the prostitutes, the downtrodden and
unsophisticated but He also did not break the rules of His day with
prohibited speech even though He heard much. Study to show thyself approved
came after His resurrection.
Big deal!!
So when are you going to get your approval??
2 Tim 3:17
Huh??
Its the truth...
"You think because you have your bible that you have life but you are sadly
mistaken, you need who the scriptures testify of...He is a Person. If you
still need your Bible then you have not met Him."
If you think you are seated in heavenly places with your bible, dream on.
He is a Person, its a Person to person relationship!! You are supposed to
be in one. Do you marry a book on marriage to be married to your wife??
Why would would expect such a thing with God then??
Why then does the Bible give counsel on marriages? Why then should the
older women instruct the younger regarding marriage? yes, at one time or
another we all need counsel regarding marriage.
Jesus is the Word, He is a Person. He is the Way, Truth and the Life.
You missed the point, a marriage is based on interpersonal relationship, not
on 'ink' studies.
You assume far too much. You should also be aware that the marriage feast
occurs in Heaven. Right now the Bride is being prepared.
It is you that assumes. A marriage feast in heaven means that the Bride
(not yet you, if ever) is MARRIED here right now to the Lord, there is no
marrying or giving in marriage in heaven. That marriage is based on an
interpersonal relationship in the Spirit, not based on ink, but based in the
reality of walking in every manner of life in the Spirit with Him. You
don't study God, you live life with Him...that is if you are born again.
Those who have to study Him have yet to enter into marriage with Him.

You haven't got a clue and you rant and rave in your shallow rhetoric with
cut and paste scriptures.

You're head is too full of your own religious fallen man junk to hear the
obvious truth.

Everything is recorded, you have opportunity.

When you move from 2 Tim 3:16 to 2 Tim 3:17 (KJV) let me know. Until then
you can go on telling yourself scripture to the cows come home, but that is
all it is 'ink'.



Michael Christ

(snip the rest of the rhetoric you have to chant to try and convince
yourself)
Jim
2011-02-20 01:44:06 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo,
my name is Jim.
Mordecai
2011-02-20 03:07:29 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo,
my name is Jim.
You are not the first person who has taken offence at the lack of human
"mutual respect" demanded of another.
In my case, the issue is called "lashon and hara" translated either 'evil
speech" of "slander and gossip" ... specifically the diminishing of a
person's name.

Apparently it was MY fault that HE has desecrated my name.
Shrug.
--
Mordecai!

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 03:40:36 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo,
my name is Jim.
You are not the first person who has taken offence at the lack of human
"mutual respect" demanded of another.
In my case, the issue is called "lashon and hara" translated either 'evil
speech" of "slander and gossip" ... specifically the diminishing of a
person's name.
Apparently it was MY fault that HE has desecrated my name.
Shrug.
Have no fear Mordecai, everything you and Jim say will be weighed in the
balance as to whether it be true or not. Rest in peace.

Silly boy, will you not be measured by your own words oh Mr. Perfect Mutual
Respect one?



Michael Christ
Michael Christ
2011-02-20 03:34:13 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Hey Jimbo, you don't even understand the verses you quoted, we are talking
about **spirit** (Romans 8:1) here not flesh.
I would like to preach the gospel 24/7 but that which I would do I do not
because I live in a body of death.
I wish you people would get understanding from the Lord instead of spending
your lives searching the Scriptures trying to find ways in which to justify
your flesh.
my name is Jim.
So your name is more important than the truth.

Okay...Jim.



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-20 22:40:17 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
(snip)
So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
The born again are born again sinners.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Jim
2011-02-21 01:33:45 UTC
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duke:

Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.

:)
Michael Christ
2011-02-21 03:18:06 UTC
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Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
:)
As long as he's Catholic, all is well.

But He isn't.



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-21 23:33:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Peter B.
2011-02-22 00:20:54 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).

You have to receive the truth first, then if you turn away what is said is
true. To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
Michael Christ
2011-02-22 06:52:22 UTC
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Be quiet you, you are just a theology overlaid on sin.

A pretender.


Michael Christ

"Peter B." wrote in message news:1uoxt2tl52umy$***@4ever.his...
duke
2011-02-23 18:42:33 UTC
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Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version, ©2010)

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Satan is looking forward to the fresh meat coming his way.
Post by Peter B.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).
You have to receive the truth first , then if you turn away what is said is
true.
Of course, and Christian baptism is that truth.
Post by Peter B.
To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Peter B.
2011-02-23 20:19:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Satan is looking forward to the fresh meat coming his way.
Post by Peter B.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).
You have to receive the truth first , then if you turn away what is said is
true.
Of course, and Christian baptism is that truth.
Post by Peter B.
To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.

To every man is given a measure of faith to believe. Faith cometh by
hearing and hearing by the word of God. Babies cannot do any of this nor do
they have to.
duke
2011-02-24 20:06:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Satan is looking forward to the fresh meat coming his way.
Post by Peter B.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).
You have to receive the truth first , then if you turn away what is said is
true.
Of course, and Christian baptism is that truth.
Post by Peter B.
To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.
Until you find out you're only "saved" until your next mortal sin, which is
willfully telling God you know better than he about right v wrong.

However, without John's baptism, you will carry the stain of the sin of A&E on
your soul to the grave, and that's bad. Jessu well said that you cannot enter
the kingdom of God unless you are baptized in water (John's) and the Holy Spirit
(Jesus's).
Post by Peter B.
To every man is given a measure of faith to believe. Faith cometh by
hearing and hearing by the word of God. Babies cannot do any of this nor do
they have to.
Faith, yes, but faith without works is dead faith. Hecky darn, you know, I just
can't hide from what Jesus taught us.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Peter B.
2011-02-24 23:33:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Thankfully it doesn't else we would all be dead meat.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Satan is looking forward to the fresh meat coming his way.
Post by Peter B.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Heb 10:26-27).
You have to receive the truth first , then if you turn away what is said is
true.
Of course, and Christian baptism is that truth.
Post by Peter B.
To simple learn of Jesus, to have heard about him and not receive him
into your heart means there is still a chance for you to receive Him. IOW's
you needed to accept His forgiveness first by believing in and on Him. Now
of course if you were to be run over by a car in the interim you are now
condemned forever since you never _knew_ him.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.
Until you find out you're only "saved" until your next mortal sin, which is
willfully telling God you know better than he about right v wrong.
According to the verse you keep repeating, without knowledge, it says there
remains no more sacrifice for your sin. Hebrews 10:26-27. Since a sacrifice
must be made for the remission of sins how then can you be forgiven?

Either you believe Gods word or you believe the RCC religion which does not
follow the word of God regarding salvation.

Duke, as an aside. Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity because of rituals and the things they do to
control our lives. The RCC is not the only one held culpable a lot of
religions do this. You must follow a certain format in a certain path in
order to be correct of perfected. The RCC would hold purgatory over your
head, penance at the direction of man over your head, tithes and offerings
over your head, rituals over your head and life. Set themselves up as being
the full arbitrator of your spiritual life instead of Jesus, the only ones
that can forgive you, sanctify a marriage, grant a divorce plus a host of
things that no church has a right to control.

I realize that carnal beings have innate weaknesses and a feeling that they
*must* do something in order to deserve righteousness and that a ritual,
especially a demanded ritual often fills the self righteous need to be
"good". Problem is we err far more often than we "do good" and those that
recognize that and make the extra effort to be _really_ good will go to a
monastery or a nunnery. However even that will not satisfy their needs and
many sin in those places to satisfy their overpowering carnal desires.

When we receive Jesus as our Savior we are made, yes, by being born again,
we are made the Righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, and then we are
sealed by His Spirit as belonging to Him. His mark on our lives. Then after
receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit we are empowered to do the things
we ought to be doing in the first place. Now we through the renewing of our
minds learn to control the carnal desires of the flesh so that we can live
outwardly as we should be doing. By doing this we start exhibiting the
fruit of the Spirit such as living in Joy, Peace with all people, as much
as possible, Love, Kindness, Gentleness, and other things against which
there is no law. We do these things as we learn, they start blossoming out
as we grow. They are natural fruits of the spirit.

So as this happens the backbiting, wrath, hatred, discontent, bitterness
and such start sliding into the background and away from our lives. This
can happen because Jesus gave us gifts, and did that freely, and at great
sacrifice. The gift of faith, then salvation, becoming a new creation, a
temple of God, the Holy Spirit to fill that Temple, then He gives us the
tools and power to live the life He would have us be, as examples of Him.
He, Jesus now calls us Friend, and God calls us son or daughter. Such a
royal family we are now part of and like cinderella or cinderfella we have
to learn to walk like those to whom this is all natural. We have been
elevated from a human condemned to death, to the family of God and eternal
life. We need to learn how to walk therein.

We ought not to take this lightly as many do and I believe Paul makes
reference to this. We are given gifts at a very costly price that being the
sacrifice that Jesus made for us.

Duke, since Jesus paid this great price, at great expense to Himself, how
on earth could He hold back anything from us? Things like healings,
deliverance, miracles, wondrous signs, and salvation which we somehow seem
to find easier to believe and accept than the rest.

God did not do these things to give to some organization to dole out as
they think fit, or for a sum of monies.
Post by duke
However, without John's baptism, you will carry the stain of the sin of A&E on
your soul to the grave, and that's bad. Jessu well said that you cannot enter
the kingdom of God unless you are baptized in water (John's) and the Holy Spirit
(Jesus's).
It is born of water and the Spirit, which speaks to our human birth and
spiritual birth.

The way you describe it the person on a cross next to Jesus could not have
entered into heaven with Jesus Like He said.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
To every man is given a measure of faith to believe. Faith cometh by
hearing and hearing by the word of God. Babies cannot do any of this nor do
they have to.
Faith, yes, but faith without works is dead faith. Hecky darn, you know, I just
can't hide from what Jesus taught us.
I sure hope so and not just what your church teaches you. A baby who was
baptized cannot do works. A baby cannot even believe.
Jim
2011-02-25 02:31:01 UTC
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"Peter B." wrote:
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity
I firmly believe all religion is man made. I once heard,
christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with
God through Christ.

man needed a label to stick on people who believe Christ
so man invented the word christian and stuck it on people
who believe and follow Christ.
Peter B.
2011-02-25 09:28:04 UTC
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Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity
I firmly believe all religion is man made. I once heard,
christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with
God through Christ.
That is exactly right! A personal relationship.
Jesus defined pure religion and undefiled as taking care of the needy and
poor or elderly I can't remember which at the moment.
Post by Jim
man needed a label to stick on people who believe Christ
so man invented the word christian and stuck it on people
who believe and follow Christ.
Yes. Actually the word Christian was an honor at one time since it meant
Christ like one and was given by those outside of the Church. The early
Church called themselves "The Way" after the Words of Jesus who said, I am
the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but through
me. The Way name became adulterated in the not so distant past by a cult
group. What a shame.
duke
2011-02-26 17:57:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity
I firmly believe all religion is man made. I once heard,
christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with
God through Christ.
That is exactly right! A personal relationship.
Personal means you follow him in each and every step he takes. At the foot of
the cross, he said "Father, spare me this cup, not my will but yours".
Post by Peter B.
Jesus defined pure religion and undefiled as taking care of the needy and
poor or elderly I can't remember which at the moment.
Post by Jim
man needed a label to stick on people who believe Christ
so man invented the word christian and stuck it on people
who believe and follow Christ.
Yes. Actually the word Christian was an honor at one time since it meant
Christ like one and was given by those outside of the Church. The early
Church called themselves "The Way" after the Words of Jesus who said, I am
the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but through
me. The Way name became adulterated in the not so distant past by a cult
group. What a shame.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Peter B.
2011-02-26 19:32:03 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity
I firmly believe all religion is man made. I once heard,
christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with
God through Christ.
That is exactly right! A personal relationship.
Personal means you follow him in each and every step he takes. At the foot of
the cross, he said "Father, spare me this cup, not my will but yours".
Duke, have you ever had any friends? Friends that you trusted? Have a
relationship with them? Not sexual but real friendship with trust and
confidence knowing that they have your back in times of difficulties? Jesus
calls us friend, we are to have a friendship with Him. A personal
relationship and that includes talking and walking with him. The work of
Jesus at the Cross is finished, completed.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Jesus defined pure religion and undefiled as taking care of the needy and
poor or elderly I can't remember which at the moment.
Post by Jim
man needed a label to stick on people who believe Christ
so man invented the word christian and stuck it on people
who believe and follow Christ.
Yes. Actually the word Christian was an honor at one time since it meant
Christ like one and was given by those outside of the Church. The early
Church called themselves "The Way" after the Words of Jesus who said, I am
the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but through
me. The Way name became adulterated in the not so distant past by a cult
group. What a shame.
duke
2011-02-26 17:55:43 UTC
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Post by Jim
[....]
Post by Peter B.
Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity
Christianity is what Jesus taught us in atonement for sin in the world.

John 13:34 (New International Version, ©2010)
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you
must love one another.
Post by Jim
I firmly believe all religion is man made. I once heard,
christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with
God through Christ.
man needed a label to stick on people who believe Christ
so man invented the word christian and stuck it on people
who believe and follow Christ.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
2011-02-26 17:53:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.
Until you find out you're only "saved" until your next mortal sin, which is
willfully telling God you know better than he about right v wrong.
According to the verse you keep repeating, without knowledge, it says there
remains no more sacrifice for your sin. Hebrews 10:26-27. Since a sacrifice
must be made for the remission of sins how then can you be forgiven?
Jesus was that sacrifice - one time. The rest is up to you.
Post by Peter B.
Either you believe Gods word or you believe the RCC religion which does not
follow the word of God regarding salvation.
They're one and the same.
Post by Peter B.
Duke, as an aside. Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity because of rituals and the things they do to
control our lives. The RCC is not the only one held culpable a lot of
religions do this.
What rituals and things are you referring to? The Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and
the teaching authority and foundational base of Jesus' Chruch on earth are all
well revealed in the 4 gospels.
Post by Peter B.
You must follow a certain format in a certain path in
order to be correct of perfected. The RCC would hold purgatory over your
head,
Scripture says you must be purified before you can stand before God. Jesus
passes the "saved" to purgatory for the purification. You and I don't have a
choice.
Post by Peter B.
penance at the direction of man over your head,
If you're referring to penance after reconciliation, it's usually a few prayers
for an act of love while we contemplate our violation against God.
Post by Peter B.
tithes and offerings over your head,
Catholics don't tithe.
Post by Peter B.
rituals over your head and life.
Like what?
Post by Peter B.
Set themselves up as being
the full arbitrator of your spiritual life instead of Jesus, the only ones
that can forgive you, sanctify a marriage, grant a divorce plus a host of
things that no church has a right to control.
Jesus, in John 20:22-23 well stated that man has the authority to forgive/retain
sins (in the name of the Father, Son, HS) to be held so in heaven. Maybe you
should complain to Jesus about being treated unfairly like us Catholics.
Post by Peter B.
I realize that carnal beings have innate weaknesses and a feeling that they
*must* do something in order to deserve righteousness and that a ritual,
especially a demanded ritual often fills the self righteous need to be
"good". Problem is we err far more often than we "do good" and those that
recognize that and make the extra effort to be _really_ good will go to a
monastery or a nunnery. However even that will not satisfy their needs and
many sin in those places to satisfy their overpowering carnal desires.
Well, remember, there are those sins that destroy our souls and some that don't.
1 John 5:16-17
Post by Peter B.
When we receive Jesus as our Savior we are made, yes, by being born again,
And then you go on to a life of serious sin.
Post by Peter B.
we are made the Righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, and then we are
sealed by His Spirit as belonging to Him. His mark on our lives.
Then why Heb 10:26-27? Do you live with the goats or the sheep? Mat 25:31-46.

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Peter B.
2011-02-26 19:27:12 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Duke, it isn't Baptism it is faith believing on Him who has saved us.
Until you find out you're only "saved" until your next mortal sin, which is
willfully telling God you know better than he about right v wrong.
According to the verse you keep repeating, without knowledge, it says there
remains no more sacrifice for your sin. Hebrews 10:26-27. Since a sacrifice
must be made for the remission of sins how then can you be forgiven?
Jesus was that sacrifice - one time. The rest is up to you.
Really? So how can one do that without the shedding of Blood? The Bible
says you cannot.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Either you believe Gods word or you believe the RCC religion which does not
follow the word of God regarding salvation.
They're one and the same.
Try convincing a molested child or their parents that.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Duke, as an aside. Many people are against religion sometimes mistakenly
calling it christianity because of rituals and the things they do to
control our lives. The RCC is not the only one held culpable a lot of
religions do this.
What rituals and things are you referring to? The Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and
the teaching authority and foundational base of Jesus' Chruch on earth are all
well revealed in the 4 gospels.
Any ritual that has times, days, events. The events you describe are not
listed nor prescribed in the bible.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
You must follow a certain format in a certain path in
order to be correct of perfected. The RCC would hold purgatory over your
head,
Scripture says you must be purified before you can stand before God. Jesus
passes the "saved" to purgatory for the purification. You and I don't have a
choice.
I do, and there is no purgatory, the only purification is that which a
person receives when born again. Mankind can achieve nothing through
"earned righteousness" for all our righteousness is as filthy rags. You
will find no purgatory in the Bible.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
penance at the direction of man over your head,
If you're referring to penance after reconciliation, it's usually a few prayers
for an act of love while we contemplate our violation against God.
No ones work for sin has any validity. In Mexico it is common to crawl on
ones knees on cobble stones for penance. Bloody knees and broken knee caps
is all they get. The sadistic priest gets the thrill of control over the
poor slobs. Some women are offered Gods love for sex with their priest,
yes, even when they are already married.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
tithes and offerings over your head,
Catholics don't tithe.
What are you calling it now. I know nuns who came calling at my house,
asking about the income and so one and determined what we were supposed to
give to the RCC near our home. In Jersey many churches you had to pay to
enter and still they had five offerings in a service.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
rituals over your head and life.
Like what?
Fridays, A week of penance before Easter Sunday. Confession...
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Set themselves up as being
the full arbitrator of your spiritual life instead of Jesus, the only ones
that can forgive you, sanctify a marriage, grant a divorce plus a host of
things that no church has a right to control.
Jesus, in John 20:22-23 well stated that man has the authority to forgive/retain
sins (in the name of the Father, Son, HS) to be held so in heaven. Maybe you
should complain to Jesus about being treated unfairly like us Catholics.
You should restudy that verse and in detail. We have already gone over that
numerous times. In fact we have gone over this all numerous times.

Matthew 23:8-10 (King James Version)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all
ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which
is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
I realize that carnal beings have innate weaknesses and a feeling that they
*must* do something in order to deserve righteousness and that a ritual,
especially a demanded ritual often fills the self righteous need to be
"good". Problem is we err far more often than we "do good" and those that
recognize that and make the extra effort to be _really_ good will go to a
monastery or a nunnery. However even that will not satisfy their needs and
many sin in those places to satisfy their overpowering carnal desires.
Well, remember, there are those sins that destroy our souls and some that don't.
1 John 5:16-17
False
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
When we receive Jesus as our Savior we are made, yes, by being born again,
And then you go on to a life of serious sin.
False
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
we are made the Righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, and then we are
sealed by His Spirit as belonging to Him. His mark on our lives.
Then why Heb 10:26-27? Do you live with the goats or the sheep? Mat 25:31-46.
I keep telling you and still you don't get it.

Heb 10 26-27 speaks of those who once having knowledge turn away from that
knowledge and willingly chooses a path of sin, again. There is now no more
sacrifice for their sins, having trodden underfoot the work of Jesus Christ
for them. No more remission for sins. They better hope for a very long like
after that it is eternal damnation.
Michael Christ
2011-02-22 06:51:09 UTC
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Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Well then, your confessional is useless.

You have been told that all along...the same man went in and the same man
came out.



Michael Christ

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duke
2011-02-23 18:43:36 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
Well then, your confessional is useless.
You have been told that all along...the same man went in and the same man
came out.
Meaning every one of mankind is booked to go as fresh meat to satanville unless
we repent of our sins, pick up our own cross, and follow Jesus.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-23 21:01:17 UTC
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You said it buddy...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
And you do continue to wilfully sin!

Nothing more to say.

You know what is best.




Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-24 20:08:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
You said it buddy...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
And you do continue to wilfully sin!
NO, not any more. But when I do. I go to confession to a priest like Jesus
directed us. What do you do?
Post by Michael Christ
Nothing more to say.
You know what is best.
No, but I listen well to Jesus.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-24 22:58:10 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
And you do continue to wilfully sin!
NO, not any more. But when I do.
That in itself is contradiction and silly, but I know what you are trying to
say. You are saying you non-wilfully sin. :-). Yeah right! That means
that underneath you believe you are good yet you sin.

It is all so ridiculous, Dukester, I can't keep dwelling in this absurd
fantasy with you.
Post by Michael Christ
I go to confession to a priest like Jesus
directed us. What do you do?
A born again man doesn't have to go and pretend he repents anymore, because
he has repented, once and for all. You get combo deals at McDonalds and at
the Catholic church, but not with God.



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-26 17:59:45 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
And you do continue to wilfully sin!
NO, not any more. But when I do.
That in itself is contradiction and silly, but I know what you are trying to
say. You are saying you non-wilfully sin. :-). Yeah right! That means
that underneath you believe you are good yet you sin.
No man avoided sin except for Jesus. Jesus called for us to clean up our acts,
pick up our own cross, and follow him in love and obedience to the Father.
Post by Michael Christ
It is all so ridiculous, Dukester, I can't keep dwelling in this absurd
fantasy with you.
It's your funeral. If you have a better way than listening to Jesus, let me
know.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
I go to confession to a priest like Jesus
directed us. What do you do?
A born again man doesn't have to go and pretend he repents anymore, because
he has repented, once and for all. You get combo deals at McDonalds and at
the Catholic church, but not with God.
Apparently "born again" means one thing to you and something else to Jesus and
the Christian Church.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-26 21:46:08 UTC
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Sorry Dukester, your catholic organisation can't save you.


Michael Christ
Jim
2011-02-22 14:23:40 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have
rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a
state of unforgivable sin.
duke
2011-02-23 18:44:31 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have
rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a
state of unforgivable sin.
And interestingly enough, scripture says that only Jesus never sinner. Be
careful. You are likely standing on very thin ice.

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Jim
2011-02-24 01:58:18 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Jim
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have
rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a
state of unforgivable sin.
And interestingly enough, scripture says that only Jesus never sinner. Be
careful. You are likely standing on very thin ice.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew
no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the
Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger
of eternal damnation:

"blaspheme is living your entire life in complete denial
of God's gift of his son Jesus. It is living your entire
life believing that the Bible is a myth and a fairy tale,
and rejecting the fact that Jesus died on the cross for our
sins so we may be forgiven. That is the only unforgivable sin."

therefore - to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to
have rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a state
of unforgivable sin.


Duke, Jesus loves you.
duke
2011-02-24 20:12:57 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Post by duke
Post by Jim
Hi Duke, just in case the thought had not crossed your
mind today I thought I'd take a moment to put the thought
in front of you. Jesus loves you.
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him, there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have
rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a
state of unforgivable sin.
And interestingly enough, scripture says that only Jesus never sinner. Be
careful. You are likely standing on very thin ice.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew
no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Not if you don't believe in him, and belief mandates that you follow everything
he taught us.
Post by Jim
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the
Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger
"blaspheme is living your entire life in complete denial
of God's gift of his son Jesus.
It is living your entire
life believing that the Bible is a myth and a fairy tale,
and rejecting the fact that Jesus died on the cross for our
sins so we may be forgiven. That is the only unforgivable sin."
Well, no. That's not right. One can enter into mortal death for blasphemy of
the Holy Spirit at the end of his life. And that happens when one tells God
you are his equal on a particular subject and then you die. At death, there is
no longer any way to repent of the mistake.
Post by Jim
therefore - to have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to
have rejected the gift of Christ leaves one standing in a state
of unforgivable sin.
Backsliders are done for if they don't take some drastic measures. After all,
there is nothing such as once saved, always saved. A man who can't swim falls
into the pool and is pulled to safety. He is saved, but if he falls back in, is
he still saved?

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Michael Christ
2011-02-21 03:16:13 UTC
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"duke" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:06:24 +1100, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
(snip)
So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
The born again are born again sinners.
Yeah sure. :-). Then you are born again of nothing but the same. :-).



Michael Christ


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duke
2011-02-21 23:33:57 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:06:24 +1100, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
(snip)
So you being FREE from sin do not sin anymore, Peter B! Amen!!
Welcome to the faith then, Bro!
When were you born again??
The born again are born again sinners.
Yeah sure. :-). Then you are born again of nothing but the same. :-).
All men except Jesus are.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-22 07:02:40 UTC
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Post by duke
The born again are born again sinners.
Yeah sure. :-). Then you are born again of nothing but the same. :-).
All men except Jesus are.
Oh be quiet you silly boy.

You are a stubborn Catholic fool.

How you people can believe such nonsense it mind-boggling!!



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-20 22:39:48 UTC
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Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
There is no such thing as the papacy in the Bible.
The duties of the Holy Father, Peter being the first, is described in Mat
16:13-19. The charter of the Papacy is found in Mat 28:16-20.
Incorrect, there is no office of the papacy inferred, listed or noted.
But there is a teaching authority, and a making disciples authority, and a
baptism authority all wrapped into one. And that takes an organization.
Post by Peter B.
There is no charter of any papacy either, there is a commission given unto
11 apostles, no other office, and it was unto all the Church.
The apostles died 2000 years ago. The mandate to issue to all nations everywhere
makes succession a mandate.
Post by Peter B.
Why you quote those verses I do not know. You already stated that it
doesn't matter what the Bible says it only matters what the RCC says, and
those verses clearly have no statements about any papacy.
Left up to you, you and your camel would be buried in the desert.
Post by Peter B.
Also, in Eph 2:20 it says this, which is agreement with Peter.
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus
himself being the cornerstone,
I know - that what I said - a foundation and teaching authority.
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Yes, so true, in His word.
Yep. Yep, welcome to the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
No, we are His disciples. You mentioned it yourself, above. Why change your
tune now.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Duke, there is only one way to God and Heaven and that is through Jesus
Christ.
That's not what I asked you. What I did ask you is what happens to those that
only give lip service and rejection to Jesus rather than follow thru on his
instructions for the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
No you said, "If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us". Your
church distorts the Bible, the RCC is distorted, the Bible does not agree
with it in principle I believe as do all believers in Jesus Christ, no one
has any faith in a religion or religious institution per the bible. You
statement while correct as the RCC would have it, is incorrect according to
Jesus.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Just because one calls themselves Christian does not make it so as
far as God is concerned. One can live in a monastery, heal the sick and
cast out demons and never have accepted Christ.
Being a Christian is not something we claim because we have a Christian card in
our wallet. We are Christian when we follow his teachings.
If you accept Him into your heart and are born again. Many follow His
teachings thinking He was a good man. But they do not believe in Him, nor
accept Him as God.
Post by duke
Mark 8:34 (New International Version, ©2010)
The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever
wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow
me.
Did Peter or any of His disciples join Jesus on the cross? We know that
Peter denied even knowing him let alone joining him on the cross. Most of
His disciples ran.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Those not in Jesus go to the Lake of Fire at the end of the ages. Those
that turn away from Him face the same fate.
Forget the lake of fire. It's heaven for those that follow Jesus or hell for
those that reject Jesus. And Jesus advises us of our status at the moment we
die.
Show me the scripture for this. I know now what it is for me. Meanwhile you
have to live in fear of dying or get killed before you paid your penance
and no one can save you after your dead.
And it is the lake of Fire .
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Michael Christ
2011-02-22 23:06:19 UTC
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Well you said it...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him,
there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
...so it must be so.

Repeated visits to the Catholic confessionals are now an official waste of
time and defunct...

:-).



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-23 18:45:35 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Well you said it...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him,
there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
...so it must be so.
Repeated visits to the Catholic confessionals are now an official waste of
time and defunct...
Each time you sin in a major way after your last confession, you are showing
your unwillingness to follow Jesus to the Father.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-23 21:09:01 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Well you said it...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him,
there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
...so it must be so.
Repeated visits to the Catholic confessionals are now an official waste of
time and defunct...
Each time you sin in a major way after your last confession, you are showing
your unwillingness to follow Jesus to the Father.
Oh, in...a...mmmaaajjjooorrr...way. :-). Well yes, 'minors' have always
been very acceptable in the Catholic organisation. Not only are you
swallowing a camel on that point, you are side stepping the truth as usual
with this reality: You do continue to wilfully sin, so by your own silly
ignorant words, you are condemned.

Oh well, you do know what is best in your sin.



Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-24 20:15:48 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Well you said it...
Post by duke
And he said that if we willfully continue to sin after we learn of him,
there is
no sacrifice for sins left for us, but instead only the fires of hell.
...so it must be so.
Repeated visits to the Catholic confessionals are now an official waste of
time and defunct...
Each time you sin in a major way after your last confession, you are showing
your unwillingness to follow Jesus to the Father.
Oh, in...a...mmmaaajjjooorrr...way. :-).
I know. That's what I said.
Post by Michael Christ
Well yes, 'minors' have always
been very acceptable in the Catholic organisation. Not only are you
swallowing a camel on that point, you are side stepping the truth as usual
with this reality: You do continue to wilfully sin, so by your own silly
ignorant words, you are condemned.
It doesn't matter what age you fall. A mortal sin unconfessed is a krispy
kritter situation resolved only by confession, forgiveness, and absolution.
Jesus said that.
Post by Michael Christ
Oh well, you do know what is best in your sin.
Michael Christ
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Michael Christ
2011-02-24 22:59:30 UTC
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Enough is enough, Dukester.




Michael Christ
duke
2011-02-26 18:00:10 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Enough is enough, Dukester.
I suspect that Jesus may be telling you the same thing.

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Michael Christ
2011-02-26 21:48:26 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Enough is enough, Dukester.
I suspect that Jesus may be telling you the same thing.
You hope! :-).

Sorry Dukester, your catholic organisation can't save you.



Michael Christ

Michael Christ
2011-02-18 23:03:17 UTC
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Hey Dukester, I prayed to St. Jude about you and he put me on to Mary and
she said they don't know you.

What is your response??

Also, they are in charge of the confessional statistics and they claim that
no such genuine confession from any 'Dukester' can be found in the records.





Michael Christ
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
Jesus taught that those who believe in Him will be free from the law and
the sin it produces.
If you believe in him, you believe what he gave us - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments
and the teaching authority and foundational base in the Papacy.
There is no such thing as the papacy in the Bible.
The duties of the Holy Father, Peter being the first, is described in Mat
16:13-19. The charter of the Papacy is found in Mat 28:16-20.
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my
word, you are truly my disciples,
If, if, if you abide.
Yes, so true, in His word.
Yep. Yep, welcome to the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority
and
foundational base in the Papacy.
Post by Peter B.
Post by duke
Post by Peter B.
This is why there is now therefore no condemnation to those in Christ
Jesus.
What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Duke, there is only one way to God and Heaven and that is through Jesus
Christ.
That's not what I asked you. What I did ask you is what happens to those
that
only give lip service and rejection to Jesus rather than follow thru on his
instructions for the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teaching authority and
foundational base in the Papacy.
Post by Peter B.
Just because one calls themselves Christian does not make it so as
far as God is concerned. One can live in a monastery, heal the sick and
cast out demons and never have accepted Christ.
Being a Christian is not something we claim because we have a Christian card
in
our wallet. We are Christian when we follow his teachings.

Mark 8:34 (New International Version, ©2010)

The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said:
“Whoever
wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and
follow
me.
Post by Peter B.
Those not in Jesus go to the Lake of Fire at the end of the ages. Those
that turn away from Him face the same fate.
Forget the lake of fire. It's heaven for those that follow Jesus or hell
for
those that reject Jesus. And Jesus advises us of our status at the moment
we
die.

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Jim
2011-02-18 00:31:13 UTC
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duke wrote:
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What happens to supposed Christians "not" in Jesus who only give him lip
service.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Claire
2011-02-20 23:24:40 UTC
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<sigh> Sectarianism is a waste of time ….. even for evil Papists! ;-)

Pax
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